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Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by jeremyt »

nyolfen wrote: post #57
codyb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to seafood watch, market squid are at the very least sustainable [0]. Squid and octopus are different I believe, but calamari is squid if I'm not mistaken. As for Octopus, it appears a bit more iffy [1]. As for intelligence, that's secondary to sustainability for my eating habits at this point. [0] - http://www.neaq.org/conservation_and_research/projects/fishe... [1] - http://seafood.edf.org/octopus#bmb=1

there's good reason to suspect that a lot of calamari is pig asshole: http://www.dallasobserver.com/restaurants/npr-claims-pig-rec...

Considering the article is only a few paragraphs, and right in the middle of the article it states "dining on pork bung at your favorite Italian restaurant is improbable (most hog bung is exported to Asia)". I don't see how you have any factual support for the statement "a lot".

In fact, there isn't even anecdotal evidence listed.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by nier »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #20

A similar interesting octopus story not mentioned in the article: A particular light in a German aquarium kept short-circuiting and no one could figure out why. Using camera surveillance it was finally discovered that every night, the octopus would climb to the edge of his tank and shoot a jet of water on the light, shorting it. It was speculated that the light had been bothering the octopus' nocturnal routine. http:…

Their answer was to hang the light higher. No explanation for keeping the nightly illumination.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by Falling3 »

kristopolous wrote: post #68
koolba wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you against eating all animals or is there a cut off point of intelligence after which it stops being okay? Most of what is/isn't acceptable to eat is based on history and popular socially accepted practices, not whether people think their prospective dinner is intelligent. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs yet the latter are not eaten in the western world and I wouldn't want to live in a world without the (del…

Although not the OP, I have a fairly strong opinion on this. In order of importance everyone should * Make their own decisions on what to eat. * Understand the externalities, exogenous, and endogenous process and consequences of their decisions. * Take full personal, civic, and environmental responsibility for those decisions. Essentially, as long as people are forthright, honest, and accountable about what they eat,…

Is this really how you feel taken to its logical extremes? Do you think humans should be allowed to eat other humans? Other live humans?

Eating is clearly a very personal thing, but it's silly to pretend that morality suddenly ceases applying.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by bpchaps »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #80
bpchaps wrote: post #66

Offtopic (sorry) - why is it that I can't read this short article in full in one screen on a 4k monitor? And why is it that when I move my mouse around, I get about 10 different places where a mini dialogue pops up? Somebody needs to make a new internet.

The proper agency has been notified, please stand by for wish fulfillment.

Dang, last time I worked with one of those agencies, they never got back to me. Still hopeful! ;)

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by dorfsmay »

kristopolous wrote: post #68
koolba wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you against eating all animals or is there a cut off point of intelligence after which it stops being okay? Most of what is/isn't acceptable to eat is based on history and popular socially accepted practices, not whether people think their prospective dinner is intelligent. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs yet the latter are not eaten in the western world and I wouldn't want to live in a world without the (del…

Although not the OP, I have a fairly strong opinion on this. In order of importance everyone should * Make their own decisions on what to eat. * Understand the externalities, exogenous, and endogenous process and consequences of their decisions. * Take full personal, civic, and environmental responsibility for those decisions. Essentially, as long as people are forthright, honest, and accountable about what they eat,…

So eating human is OK? Killing humans in order to eat them is OK?

What some people are asking is if we should extend this to some other species, typically other apes (which share 90% of our genes etc...) and now animals with high intelligence (elephant, dolphin, octopus).

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by dorfsmay »

pera wrote: post #42
MichaelBurge wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there's a way to chemically destroy part of their brain at birth, while using their body to grow meat tissue? Some ethicist should come up with an electronic controller that keeps the chickens or whatever alive by stimulating neurons like the brain would, but which clearly has no consciousness attached. Actually, this entire business of needing a whole chicken to make chicken meat seems inefficient. I wonder if…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

Thank you. I've been wondering if something like this would become viable before 3d printing meat. I didn't know it was already a thing.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by thaumasiotes »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #38
Cpoll wrote: post #22

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Ten minutes of animal cruelty involved in eating a live octopus doesn't phase me compared to the life-long animal cruelty most farm animals suffer. The only reason it's more outrageous is because it's 'obvious,' I imagine. In the West, we like our animal cruelty to be kept strictly behind closed doors.

Maybe there's a way to chemically destroy part of their brain at birth, while using their body to grow meat tissue? Some ethicist should come up with an electronic controller that keeps the chickens or whatever alive by stimulating neurons like the brain would, but which clearly has no consciousness attached. Actually, this entire business of needing a whole chicken to make chicken meat seems inefficient. I wonder if…

> Some ethicist should come up with an electronic controller that keeps the chickens or whatever alive by stimulating neurons like the brain would, but which clearly has no consciousness attached.

We could call it a "brain".

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by bsder »

Falling3 wrote: post #45
MichaelBurge wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there's a way to chemically destroy part of their brain at birth, while using their body to grow meat tissue? Some ethicist should come up with an electronic controller that keeps the chickens or whatever alive by stimulating neurons like the brain would, but which clearly has no consciousness attached. Actually, this entire business of needing a whole chicken to make chicken meat seems inefficient. I wonder if…

In-vitro meat is looking like a more viable option by the day. And it has the obvious moral ground.

It also will have both a medical and commercial high ground.

If you don't have all of the nasty digestion bits of a bird, you lost a lot of the nasty disease bits.

If you only have the meat parts of the bird, you don't waste any growth resources on non-saleable parts of the bird.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Post by [deleted] »

kristopolous wrote: post #68
koolba wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you against eating all animals or is there a cut off point of intelligence after which it stops being okay? Most of what is/isn't acceptable to eat is based on history and popular socially accepted practices, not whether people think their prospective dinner is intelligent. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs yet the latter are not eaten in the western world and I wouldn't want to live in a world without the (del…

Although not the OP, I have a fairly strong opinion on this. In order of importance everyone should * Make their own decisions on what to eat. * Understand the externalities, exogenous, and endogenous process and consequences of their decisions. * Take full personal, civic, and environmental responsibility for those decisions. Essentially, as long as people are forthright, honest, and accountable about what they eat,…

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