[1] http://www.atmseminar.org/seminarcontent/seminar4/papers/p_0...
Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
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Re: Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
#12Tokyo Haneda, one of the world's busiest airports, still uses paper strips, by choice. They like the explicit handoff of passing a strip to another controller. Here's a human factors study from France on that subject.[1] [1] http://www.atmseminar.org/seminarcontent/seminar4/papers/p_0...
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your words not mine. I said nothing about learning and only about making comparisons.
Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. I just notice that whenever something works in another country (see healthcare or public infrastructure) a lot of people in the US will say it can't work in the US: Either the US is too big or it's a "socialist" thing and therefore needs to be avoided. I think this attitude is a big danger for the US. There was a time when the US could teach the world but that time is coming to an…
Re: Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
#14>“We don’t take too big a bite,” Koslow said. “We do it incrementally.”
So, by following standard software development best practices, they avoid the massive failures that characterize large government contracts. Who'd have thunk it?
Re: Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
#15Tokyo Haneda, one of the world's busiest airports, still uses paper strips, by choice. They like the explicit handoff of passing a strip to another controller. Here's a human factors study from France on that subject.[1] [1] http://www.atmseminar.org/seminarcontent/seminar4/papers/p_0...
Are you able to explain what this paper strip system is and what it's for?
Re: Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
#16> U.S. debate to privitize air-traffic control spotlights Canada Heaven forbid, we would pay the Canadians for what they have that is already proven to work well and efficiently...
Yep. Came here to suggest that. The problem is the old system is surely being maintained by someone and a purchase of a new system will mean less spending in some congress persons district. This is an explanation of course, not a justification.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
It works well for them. Keep in mind the US has thousands of more airports and significantly more air traffic. Just like in the tech world something might work for 100 users of an app but may not work at scale. I am not bashing the NAV Canada system just saying the comparisons to the US ATC aren't apples to apples for numerous reasons.
I think, the guys who built the system for a 100 airports probably know best how to change the system for a 1000 airports while preserving all its advantages. Maybe NavCanada can slowly scale up by exporting it to bigger and bigger countries until its big enough for American airports.
Re: Paper-Pushing Flight Controllers See Future in Canada's System
#18Check out https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/ for lots of info on their improvement efforts.
None of this is to say the FAA is perfect--it's not, but it's definitely improving and they have an immensely difficult problem to manage. The FAA handles a much larger traffic volume than Canada, including many of the most congested regions in the world. (Planes are not evenly distributed!) The Advanced Automation System was the wrong approach, trying to overhaul the entire system at once, and NextGen is successfully taking the incremental approach.
[0] https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/snapshots/stories/?slide=37 [1] https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/programs/adsb/ [2] https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/snapshots/stories/?slide=26 [3] https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/update/progress_and_plans/data_c...