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Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

So are you saying each lifeform should only eat what is dumber than it?

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

Ten minutes of animal cruelty involved in eating a live octopus doesn't phase me compared to the life-long animal cruelty most farm animals suffer.

The only reason it's more outrageous is because it's 'obvious,' I imagine. In the West, we like our animal cruelty to be kept strictly behind closed doors.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

Idea that intellect should be a measure of if is okay to kill or other use a species is extremely flawed in my opinion.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

According to seafood watch, market squid are at the very least sustainable [0]. Squid and octopus are different I believe, but calamari is squid if I'm not mistaken.

As for Octopus, it appears a bit more iffy [1].

As for intelligence, that's secondary to sustainability for my eating habits at this point.

[0] - http://www.neaq.org/conservation_and_research/projects/fishe...

[1] - http://seafood.edf.org/octopus#bmb=1

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #14

I wonder if Inky knew that the drain hole led to the ocean, or if it was a just a lucky break.

Do octopi have a sense of smell? Maybe it/he/she could sense it in some way, or just noticed that when water flowed in the room, it all went down that drain. "I'll go where the water goes!"

In that vein, how often do octopi get out of the water (except when being brought out by humans)? And, are they aware of "water" vs "not-water"?

I already lmgtfy.com'ed all of these... just adding to the discussion.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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>Inky is not the first octopus to attract the spotlight. In the summer of 2010, Paul, an octopus in Germany, gained worldwide attention when he appeared to correctly pick the winning team in all seven of Germany’s games at the World Cup in South Africa — a feat that inspired a song. He has been immortalized in Oberhausen, Germany, with a six-foot plastic replica of him clutching a soccer ball. To me, this cheapens th…

Gimlet Media did a really fun story talking about Paul in the context of superpredictors. https://gimletmedia.com/episode/58-earth-pony/

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This won't be seriously entertained by most people until their standard of living is better than the octopus. Hungry people don't have the time or energy to worry about how smart their meal is. Only religion ever seems to make a dent in dietary habits in the 3rd world.

Isn't eating live animals a luxurious thing in some regions of Asia?

If so, that's seriously fucked up subcultural brainwashing.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #23
post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

Idea that intellect should be a measure of if is okay to kill or other use a species is extremely flawed in my opinion.

What else do you want to use?

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #23
post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

Idea that intellect should be a measure of if is okay to kill or other use a species is extremely flawed in my opinion.

its better than basing it on how cute the animal is.

Re: Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium

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post #22
post #7

It upsets me to no end that we find evidence such as this piece that cephalopods are actually (relatively speaking) remarkably more intelligent than common wisdom pertains[0], and yet the culinary abuse and harm (i.e. 'live sushi/sashimi') of these creatures continues. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalopod_intelligence

Ten minutes of animal cruelty involved in eating a live octopus doesn't phase me compared to the life-long animal cruelty most farm animals suffer. The only reason it's more outrageous is because it's 'obvious,' I imagine. In the West, we like our animal cruelty to be kept strictly behind closed doors.

I believe in the West most people don't even want to think about it.
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