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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by pvinis »

ergo14 wrote: post #53
octref wrote: post #49

I have a mixed feeling as a NeoVim user and long-time Vim user. On the one hand, great to see such a huge release for Vim that brings so many features people have been begging for. Especially Async IO and JSON. On the other hand, I hope Vim just become more stable and performant while not introducing new features. At the same time, I hope more development could go into NeoVim, and more people could start using it and…

Can you point me to the source of ST3 going open source?

It's not.

He means that using one editor he loves (vim/st3), then switching to a replacement (neovim/atom), and then learning that the format editor gets better (vim gets async, st3 goes open source), brings "confusion" on the choices made. It's hypothetical.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by terda12 »

pvinis wrote: post #4

I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…

Competition makes everything better :)

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by super_mario »

pjmlp wrote: post #10
pvinis wrote: post #4

I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

Because the experience is so much better. The power of command line is intoxicating, and going to GUI tools files like programming with hands tied behind your back and being blindfolded.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by mbrock »

pjmlp wrote: post #10
pvinis wrote: post #4

I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

Emacs is free software developed by a worldwide community. It's a culture, an ecosystem, a way of life. The same with Vim, but I'm into Emacs. I love Lisp deeply, and I think Emacs is a truly amazing piece of technology.

I had to use Xcode for a project and it gave me real anxiety. Weird things would go wrong and I had no idea how to fix them. The only sources of information were these horrible unanswered support threads on Apple's website.

Since Emacs is free, portable, and extensible, I can use it for lots of different things. And I know I have the freedom to change it any way I want. Of your examples, only Qt Creator has an open license.

Emacs is also a flagship of GNU. Xcode and Visual Studio are made for developing software in closed systems...

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by mbrock »

dockerlocker wrote: post #58
justusw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a way how I can copy blocks of code outside the vim window to another application without also copying the line numbers? If you're running vim in a terminal, there is an option to add native clipboard support to your yank registers. If you use vim under OS X and have installed it with brew, it will be added automatically. To check whether your current vim installation has clipboard support, try running `vi…

a good example for a stupid limitation and the enprmous waste of brian power just for a very simple thing. Have to start studying and doing real research for the most simple features. Waste!

So fix it permanently or stop complaining?

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by siscia »

pvinis wrote: post #4

I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…

Actually I don't believe there will be never a winner between the vim-way and the emacs-way.

Are both great tools but with a completely different mentality and people will prefer one to the other depending on so many factor that the quality of such tools is not even so influencing.

On the other hand there is not so much distinction between Firefox and Chrome and there is going to be a winner as long as the browser are so similar to each other.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by quarterto »

yitchelle wrote: post #45
Scarblac wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs ) both vi and Emacs are from 1976. 40 years this year!

To be fair, vim is not strictly vi although they were related. Amazing, I was 1 year old when both were started. How many other software package has such longevity? Unix and its various guises?

Make is from 1977. GNU Make is somewhat younger.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by maxaf »

I alternate between Emacs and Vim every 5 years or so. Emacs gave me superior customizability using a "real" programming language: elisp. Vim, on the other hand, offers a faster, more efficient editing UX. The older I get, the wider the spread becomes between the speed of my thought and the rate at which I can input editing commands into the terminal. Vim allows me achieve higher efficiency and to almost "think ahead" by quantifying my movements and jumping to specific tokens in known locations. That to me has become more important lately than scripting in a nicer language than viml.

All of the new features of Vim are super nice, but I'll still primarily use it for the terseness of its editing UX.

Re: Vim 8.0 is coming

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Post by ZenoArrow »

super_mario wrote: post #83
pjmlp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…

Because the experience is so much better. The power of command line is intoxicating, and going to GUI tools files like programming with hands tied behind your back and being blindfolded.

I used to think like this, but I don't any more.

Both command line development tools and IDEs require work to get the most out of them. I used to think command line tools were better because I was more in control, then I realised if I just spent the time learning what IDEs were doing on my behalf I would still have more or less the same amount of control, especially if the IDE is customisable (which the best ones are).

So with command line tools you have the option to customise your workflow from the ground up, but with IDEs you have the option to customise your workflow from the top down. Both have advantages.

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