Does vim have a roadmap/milestones or anything like that (i.e., anything that allows me to track the development process)?
Vim 8.0 is coming
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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#22I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I believe that it is good that there is no winner. If you look at vim and emacs specifically their thinking is very different. I would say that with the best plugins, config and skills in the world you would not be able to make one as good as the other in the others corresponding strength. Each is a winner in their own regards.
I think we have 2 winners:
Emacs on the "platform" (superior scripting language (elisp), better external process management, better instrumentation).
Vim on the modal-editing interface: you can find it in nearly all editors (and even browsers) nowadays.
A combination of the two would be awesome, correction "is" awesome: http://spacemacs.org
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#23I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs) both vi and Emacs are from 1976. 40 years this year!
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#24I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
> So for me the question is why there are still people that enjoy working as if their computers are using a 25 year old developer experience.
I use Vim for several reasons: First, it's language neutral which is good if you use many different languages. Second, I touch-type and like to avoid as much as possible the use of the mouse/trackpad. And finally, it's available everywhere.
But yes, I agree it has its limitations. A lot can be done with plugins, but it then becomes more fragile and a mess to maintain. I think it still makes sense to use Vim (+ a few light-weight plugins) for smaller projects .
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I make a list for things I know would be faster if I knew them and go on. example of my vimimprove.md: - 5 deleting word while curser is in the middle of that word - 2 insert parantesis around the word im on .... when something reaches 10, I google it and write it on a note. Then the first thing I do in the morning is doing that thing 10 times. Before I leave work, I do it again. And of coarse if you use it while wor…
Since I happen to have the answer to both of those: `daw` and `diw` deletes a whole word (unlike `dw` which only deletes forward). They differ in what they do with whitespace; `aw` also trims trailing whitespace (or leading whitespace if there's no trailing) while `iw` leaves the whitespace alone. These two are text objects that can be combined with other commands and quantifiers, so that `yaw` copies a word without…
If I want to put parens around a word I do, ciw()P (change word pulls it into the default register, insert the parens and then paste from the register back between the parens).
You can use the same pattern for any selection you have visually highlighted, such is the wonderful power of vim.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#26I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
First of all, the key point of emacs is extensibility and customizability. So as new stuff comes up, e.g. new programming languages, debuggers, file formats, emacs can be extended without too much pain to work with them (and often, somebody has already done that for me).
Secondly, working mainly as a sysadmin and only sometimes doing some development, I do far more with emacs than coding. I edit configuration files, look at log files, keep a "diary" using org-mode, use it for looking at directories with dired, I run a shell inside it (on Windows, eshell makes my life a lot easier). Having a single, consistent environment across many different languages, tasks, file formats and whatnot, with all my customizations working the same, is valuable to me.
If I had to code in Java, I would probably be using eclipse, too or JetBrains' Java IDE, and if I had to code in C#, I would most likely use Visual Studio, but I do not. So I stick with Emacs because it works well for me.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#27Why is there just 1 contributor listed at https://github.com/vim/vim?
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#28I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#29With the age of their respective codebases, I'd love to know what lurks beneath? Immaculate, well factored code? A hornets nest of hacks - what do you expect from such old codebases - or have they been re-written so many times you'd never guess their ages from the codebase.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#30I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
Give it another 10 years and people will still be arguing over this, just that there will be more of them on both sides.
There's deep muscle memory involved.
It's very hard to contemplate switching and, once you do, it takes a lot of commitment before you can cross the line where you are more productive than before. Like learning a new language.
So people tend to stick with the one they learn first and reverse-engineer arguments for its superiority.