By the way, I have a question: what is the best learning material for intermediate/advanced Vim users? I know quite a lot of Vim features but apart from vimtutorial, I never learned them in any organized way - it was more of a bunch of tricks I found via googling. It would be nice if there was a book (preferably free) on this editor.
Vim 8.0 is coming
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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#12By the way, I have a question: what is the best learning material for intermediate/advanced Vim users? I know quite a lot of Vim features but apart from vimtutorial, I never learned them in any organized way - it was more of a bunch of tricks I found via googling. It would be nice if there was a book (preferably free) on this editor.
I make a list for things I know would be faster if I knew them and go on.
example of my vimimprove.md:
- 5 deleting word while curser is in the middle of that word
- 2 insert parantesis around the word im on
....
when something reaches 10, I google it and write it on a note. Then the first thing I do in the morning is doing that thing 10 times. Before I leave work, I do it again. And of coarse if you use it while working you might just have it in your muscles or you look at your little note. Then after a while your finger get that ninja stile of doing stuff you brain just things about.
Like ying and yang
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#13I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I believe that it is good that there is no winner. If you look at vim and emacs specifically their thinking is very different. I would say that with the best plugins, config and skills in the world you would not be able to make one as good as the other in the others corresponding strength. Each is a winner in their own regards.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#14I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
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Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#15Can somebody tell whether the API for those features also in neovim is compatible to vim8? Anyway, it's great to see that neovim provoced new developments in vim.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#16I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
Xcode is 13 years old. Visual Studio is 19 years old. Why would people use them? Because they have evolved, just like Vim & Emacs.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#17I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
> So for me the question is why there are still people that enjoy working as if their computers are using a 25 year old developer experience.
For me it's the question, why it's so hard to understand that people have different likings without to downgrade them?
Everyone thinks that his/her decisions are the most sensible ones, but in most cases they aren't.
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#18By the way, I have a question: what is the best learning material for intermediate/advanced Vim users? I know quite a lot of Vim features but apart from vimtutorial, I never learned them in any organized way - it was more of a bunch of tricks I found via googling. It would be nice if there was a book (preferably free) on this editor.
I make a list for things I know would be faster if I knew them and go on. example of my vimimprove.md: - 5 deleting word while curser is in the middle of that word - 2 insert parantesis around the word im on .... when something reaches 10, I google it and write it on a note. Then the first thing I do in the morning is doing that thing 10 times. Before I leave work, I do it again. And of coarse if you use it while wor…
Since I happen to have the answer to both of those:
`daw` and `diw` deletes a whole word (unlike `dw` which only deletes forward). They differ in what they do with whitespace; `aw` also trims trailing whitespace (or leading whitespace if there's no trailing) while `iw` leaves the whitespace alone. These two are text objects that can be combined with other commands and quantifiers, so that `yaw` copies a word without deleting it, or `d2aw` deletes two words.
Wrapping in parens requires the vim-surround plugin, but with that installed you can do `ysaw(` and `ysaw)` to wrap in parens (also works with brackets and curlies and such), either with spaces inside the parens (the former) or snugly around the word (the latter).
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#19By the way, I have a question: what is the best learning material for intermediate/advanced Vim users? I know quite a lot of Vim features but apart from vimtutorial, I never learned them in any organized way - it was more of a bunch of tricks I found via googling. It would be nice if there was a book (preferably free) on this editor.
My path from intermediate to advanced (and I think there are big differences in vim between these two) was by watching Derek Wyatt (https://vimeo.com/user1690209/videos) do his magic, and reading articles here as well as on reddit. From time to time there are cool blog posts with new things to try. It's also worth to read the source of some of the more famous plugins together with looking up stuff on :help.
I definitely would not suggest to "just keep going". Improvement is slow by yourself and the things that make a major impact are not in your repertoire because you didn't even think they exist or that you could use them that way. Find people like Derek, who are admired by the vim community, then study their works. It's not about mimicing them but about understanding how they solve problems and thereby increasing your thought limits. Then you go and build your own skills with your new horizons as new limits (which is the lonely and hard part, but necessary).
Once you are certainly above the threshold of intermediacy this method becomes effective. Beginners should follow tutorials. Experts have no other choice but study other experts. In intermediate level you have the luxury to get value from nearly all methods (basic courses, tutorials, videos, discussions, studying masters are the ones I know about).
Re: Vim 8.0 is coming
#20I have vim, neovim and emacs (and spacemacs) installed. Right now I'm trying to get into emacs a bit more. What's interesting to me, and the reason I try to keep up to date with the latest changes for all four editors, is that it's been now, what, 25 years (?) since emacs and vim started "competing" and they still are. I guess we could be saying the same in 10 years about firefox and chrome, but it still is amazing i…
I became an heavy Emacs user as I could not find the comfort of Borland IDEs in UNIX, as I started to use it. Since I moved away from C++ into Java and .NET land, never felt the need to use them any longer. And nowadays, with Qt Creator, Clion, xCode, AppCode and VS, I also don't feel the need of them when I need to go back to C++. It is very good to know the basics from plain Vi, because there are still commercial U…
I definitely understand what you're saying, and personally at work I use Xcode (with XVim installed).
But I think there is this huuuge group of people that enjoy the integrations. Xcode can't do much besides be a pretty GUI for clang and lldb. If that's enough for a developer, then Xcode is perfect. If a user likes some more customization and integration than just that, then they're out of luck. For Xcode, there are some very basic plugins, used by people who just need Xcode + some small adjustment (eg. me wanting some vi bindings). On the other hand, for vim and emacs, there are plugins for anything and everything, from irc to mail to ordering salads for launch [0]. When a user is comfortable enough and wants to live inside their editor, then I don't think vim and emacs can be beat by any other modern editor/IDE.
Maybe atom will be the new emacs in a few years.. who knows :)