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Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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> a new feature called Goals that uses machine learning to help you figure out when you have time to pencil in stuff like spending time with your family or exercise. Spending time with your family is a goal/something you need help finding the time for? What the fuck Google? How busy do you think the average person is?

Spending time with family and exercise are definitely huge goals for me that I frequently feel like I've failed at.

But that shouldn’t be any goal, that should be the default. Work and tasks should be the exception from that.

Work to live, not live to work.

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

#13

I wonder how intelligent it is, since I do not feed that much data to Google Calendar, just the things I know I'm going to forget. Almost all of those empty hours in my Calendar are actually busy.

Garbage in, garbage out. There's other people out there that put in too much data (can't remember the link, but a guy put in literally _everything_, including nutrient consumption)

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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I wish they'd just fix search.

I use Google Calendar heavily, averaging ~10 entries per day for the last 5+ years, and then some entries per day all the way back to when it was launched.

I can put information in easily enough, and with a few IFTTT recipes I'm able to treat Google Calendar not just as a schedule for upcoming events, appointments and reminders, but as a historical log of everything I've done. It is a time based database of my life... a diary.

I've automated my diary taking into Google Calendar. The what, where and when of everything ends up in one of 12 calendars (each calendar is effectively a label to categorise a whole group of events that have occurred).

And it's brilliant.

Except for the search.

It's really difficult to get the information back out. If I search for something I know that has happened, or has happened frequently, Google will delightfully tell me that I have matched 200 results, and then show me a list of 9 or 10 of them, with no way to paginate the remainder or search the old ones (it only finds upcoming, not past).

Search is broken on Google Calendar, to the point of being almost totally useless.

Far better to rely on time as a search dimension and jump around dates until one manually finds whatever you were looking for. It's that broken.

Compare to search on a product that has some love: Google Photos. Where now the miraculous occurs, I can search things like "Felicity skiing" and what will return are photos of my wife skiing, and an option to look at all other photos on those days. A simple search and all the results you want, and a single click to expand to view it in the wider context that makes sense.

Google Calendar really needs a decent search. It feels far too much like writing to /dev/null at the moment. Your information went in there, but the chances of you finding it when you wish to reference it are pretty non-existent.

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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post #10

I'll definitely try that out, though it is in conflict with the GTD method I'm currently practicing. In GTD, only things that HAVE to be done on a certain day or time, go in the calendar. Because else you will be constantly re-scheduling and reprioritizing. If Google gets it right though, and your goals are perfectly prioritized, AND the algorithm makes use of contexts (e.g. I cannot fulfill goal "spend time with fam…

I can't find a good reference for it right now, but GTD is starting to show its age and the latest research/consensus in productivity circles now seems to be "if you never commit to a time for doing it (i.e. put it in your calendar), it ain't gonna happen"

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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This is one of those things that only the GooglePlex bubble can come up with.

As a busy person (my wife and I both work, we have a child, and hard time constraints due to teaching obligations, etc.), free time is exactly what I want to schedule as little as possible. I want to spontaneously decide to do a hike with my family, or when my daughter wants to play, I want to be there. There's enough obligations already, free time should be spontaneous and available to family.

It is also a bit annoying that they focus on these features without solving real problems first. Someone already mentioned search, which is (ironically) indeed quite bad. Also, appointment suggestions based on e-mails has very low recall. I especially noticed this since I switched back to Mail.app, which picks up a lot more dates in e-mails.

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

#17

This is one of those things that only the GooglePlex bubble can come up with. As a busy person (my wife and I both work, we have a child, and hard time constraints due to teaching obligations, etc.), free time is exactly what I want to schedule as little as possible. I want to spontaneously decide to do a hike with my family, or when my daughter wants to play, I want to be there. There's enough obligations already, f…

>This is one of those things that only the GooglePlex bubble can come up with.

Actually they acquired the company that came up with it.

The Timeful team has built an impressive system that helps you organize your life by understanding your schedule, habits and needs.

You can tell Timeful you want to exercise three times a week or that you need to call the bank by next Tuesday, and their system will make sure you get it done based on an understanding of both your schedule and your priorities.

https://gmail.googleblog.com/2015/05/time-is-on-your-sidewel...

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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post #17

This is one of those things that only the GooglePlex bubble can come up with. As a busy person (my wife and I both work, we have a child, and hard time constraints due to teaching obligations, etc.), free time is exactly what I want to schedule as little as possible. I want to spontaneously decide to do a hike with my family, or when my daughter wants to play, I want to be there. There's enough obligations already, f…

>This is one of those things that only the GooglePlex bubble can come up with. Actually they acquired the company that came up with it. The Timeful team has built an impressive system that helps you organize your life by understanding your schedule, habits and needs. You can tell Timeful you want to exercise three times a week or that you need to call the bank by next Tuesday, and their system will make sure you get…

Good point. I was originally going to say 'the SF tech bubble', but I do not want to offend too many people ;).

I still think the point stands, between missing features, adding questionable features, and failed April 1 jokes, I sometimes wonder how much 'market research' there is.

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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post #15
post #10

I'll definitely try that out, though it is in conflict with the GTD method I'm currently practicing. In GTD, only things that HAVE to be done on a certain day or time, go in the calendar. Because else you will be constantly re-scheduling and reprioritizing. If Google gets it right though, and your goals are perfectly prioritized, AND the algorithm makes use of contexts (e.g. I cannot fulfill goal "spend time with fam…

I can't find a good reference for it right now, but GTD is starting to show its age and the latest research/consensus in productivity circles now seems to be "if you never commit to a time for doing it (i.e. put it in your calendar), it ain't gonna happen"

For me, the only real consensus is that there isn't one todo methodology that fits every personality type in every job type for every task type at all times.

Anyone suggesting there is, probably has a book for sale.

Re: Google Calendar now uses machine learning to help you accomplish your goals

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post #14

I wish they'd just fix search. I use Google Calendar heavily, averaging ~10 entries per day for the last 5+ years, and then some entries per day all the way back to when it was launched. I can put information in easily enough, and with a few IFTTT recipes I'm able to treat Google Calendar not just as a schedule for upcoming events, appointments and reminders, but as a historical log of everything I've done. It is a t…

You tried reporting it? I hate reporting things to them because their feedback seems tuned to discourage that behaviour, but between that and complaining here I have seen major improvements.
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