Facebook Messenger Platform

Post by LunaSea » Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:10 PM UTC

natrius wrote: post #139

ethanpil wrote: post #92

I'm crying. Remember when messaging was built on open platforms and standards like XMPP and IRC? The golden year(s?) when Google Talk worked with AIM and anyone could choose whatever client they preferred? Welcome to the future friends when we must pay to battle the keymasters and gatekeepers on their terms to do what we used to do ourselves, for free. First they took my RSS, then they took my XMPP... Who can guess w…

We can take back the internet. We've been at a disadvantage for so long because centralized services are easier to build great experiences with than federated services. Messaging protocols require identities, and federated identities are user-hostile. They worked once: email. Never again. Luckily, we're in the middle of a decentralization renaissance. Instead of managing your identity on a server controlled by Facebo…

Post by api » Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:13 PM UTC

natrius wrote: post #168

api wrote: post #167

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You're right about UX being central to the problem, but you're missing a major part of it here. UX is hard . Getting great user experience takes IMHO a lot more pain than getting algorithms and systems to work right (in most cases). UX is about endless revisions, a lot of boring and often ugly code, obsessing about pixels and quirky details of your UI's "story," and other things that are very time consuming, not fun,…

Agreed! Economic models for funding decentralized apps are the key barrier to liberating our network effects from the companies who have fenced them off. I spend my days trying to solve that problem. I'll post on /r/Ethereum soon when there's something people can use.

Post by ascorbic » Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:18 PM UTC

jeffasinger wrote: post #150

djsumdog wrote: post #117

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> - this may disrupt paypal, as soon as you can send 'money' over a messaging app. American banking is so backwards and this will only make it worse. In Australia and New Zealand, no bank offers you checks. Do I own you $50? Well give me your BSB and account number. I type it into my phone app or web browser, type $50 and click send. It shows up tomorrow morning. Works on weekends, holidays, ANZAC day, New Years Day…

At least ACH is slowly working towards being faster. In less than 2 years, next business day ACH should be pretty universal. In about 6 months, some ACH transactions will clear the following morning.

Post by natrius » Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:23 PM UTC

api wrote: post #173

natrius wrote: post #168

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Agreed! Economic models for funding decentralized apps are the key barrier to liberating our network effects from the companies who have fenced them off. I spend my days trying to solve that problem. I'll post on /r/Ethereum soon when there's something people can use.

IMHO this is The Problem, and is far more significant than the problems IPFS or even cryptocurrencies are trying to solve. I would stop short of calling these projects wasted effort, but solving the economic model is a prerequisite to any chance of success for the entire endeavor. It's not entirely a technical problem. At some point I think a few sacred ideas will need to be questioned, such as the idea that open sou…

Post by api » Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:31 PM UTC

natrius wrote: post #177

api wrote: post #173

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IMHO this is The Problem, and is far more significant than the problems IPFS or even cryptocurrencies are trying to solve. I would stop short of calling these projects wasted effort, but solving the economic model is a prerequisite to any chance of success for the entire endeavor. It's not entirely a technical problem. At some point I think a few sacred ideas will need to be questioned, such as the idea that open sou…

General purpose blockchains are social clay: you can model any economic interaction on them, then people can engage in that interaction without any company's assistance or permission. I think I have a model that incentivizes crowds to direct their efforts and funds like a non-profit. It might not work, but if it does, no one can stop those crowds. If I find a new shiny object to chase, the software will keep running…