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Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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It is now time to take all the innovations that have been happening in china around WeChat/WeiXin and to implement them into messenger. This time it's the other way around, we are actually going to copy the Chinese (they have had an API addressable messaging platform way before us and are ahead of us in the exploration of what work / is possible) : - this may disrupt Local business/shop relation to client. (see how w…

Peter Thiel called China "copiers."

This turned around fast.

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

#152
post #136

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I don't think the average kiwi has seen a cheque in decades. After 10 years of living in the US I have started to rejoice in how despite being one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth the US still clings to things like paper cheques, $0.01/$0.05/$0.10 coins, US customary units, and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger. Perhaps it's a sign of assimilation?

> and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger. Getting off topic for the article at hand, but what's different in Australian plumbing in that area?

https://youtu.be/ryIQYYogQ8A

I've literally never owned a plunger in my whole life, and I don't know anybody who does. It baffles me everything I'm in the US and every toilet has a plunger!

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

#153
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I think what’s needed is an open chat protocol that also works well in mobile settings, since that’s where a huge chunk of the potential user base is these days.

Telegram's protocol is built with mobile in mind: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto - I believe their implementation of server-side is closed-source, but remember seeing an open-source version somewhere on GitHub...?

I don't think this is enough, because it assumes that all clients are connected to the same server. What we need is something federated (like XMPP) and with a design that is reasonable for mobile.

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

#154
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There's a word for people who only care about their own quality of life, and not that of those around them: "assholes". Don't be an asshole, and don't advocate "fuck you got mine" practices like these. Let's work to dismantle abusive systems like Facebook.

So you agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11482075 but also just felt like calling the parent an asshole?

Yes!

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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post #152

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> and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger. Getting off topic for the article at hand, but what's different in Australian plumbing in that area?

https://youtu.be/ryIQYYogQ8A I've literally never owned a plunger in my whole life, and I don't know anybody who does. It baffles me everything I'm in the US and every toilet has a plunger!

Why wouldn't these be the default in all new construction everywhere? Are there downsides?

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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> You build anything meaningful on this and Facebook has you by the you-know-whats and can pull the rug out from under you at will. Is that accurate? If I build a chat-based application, why can't I build out interfaces to various services? It may not be trivial, since some will offer features that others don't, but what's the principal problem preventing me from building a chat-based application that works over Goog…

You can but FB has the most MAU's. I believe after FB Skype is the biggest. Is it easy to build bots on multiple platforms? Personally I'm staying away from Kik. Their MAU is low and I really dislike their constant spam.

I'm blanking on any names right now, but I've seen a few startups recently working on platforms for building bots with integrations to multiple different services. No doubt one or more of these will add Messenger support. There are also open source projects like Lita[0], BotBuilder[1], and Hubot[2] which give a nice abstraction layer.

[0] https://www.lita.io/

[1] https://dev.botframework.com/

[2] https://hubot.github.com/

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

#158

so it's basically just those automated phone systems that everyone hates except over Facebook Messenger? I have to say I don't understand Silicon Valley these days...

You don't see the difference between this and hanging around with a phone to your ear listening to an audio user-interface synchronously waiting until it's ready for you to input commands with your numpad?

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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No, I’m afraid they wouldn’t. That’s also a big part of the problem. What’s the incentive for a large player like FB to use an open chat protocol? Not much, it seems :-/

It's a pretty common pattern. When you're small, you have no users, and need to start gathering network effects. So you champion and implement protocols that allow you to interoperate with other networks. You start to eat other companies lunches as you provide a better product. As you get larger, that same interoperability starts to become a liability as other networks start eating in to your userbase. So you cut out…

That's one thing that I worry about, though. The superior product experience is coming from new centralized services such as Slack and Discord. It's not coming from those building something decentralized.
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