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Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by catfest »

Aleman360 wrote: post #27
cromwellian wrote: post #9

This seems kinda disappointing in capability compared with what you see in WeChat. I was expecting you'd be able to build apps that run from inside messenger, instead of toggle back and forth between native apps, possibly using something like ExponentJS/Reactive-Native, but maybe Apple would disapprove. The WeChat SDK allows apps to run JS from inside WeChat itself. You see this in action in China where you can actua…

First browsers became OS's, now you want messenger apps to become OS's? How many layers of cruft do we need?

I'd hardly call it "cruft" - this is the beauty of computer systems and software - abstraction!

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by robbiemitchell »

cpach wrote: post #118
ethanpil wrote: post #92

I'm crying. Remember when messaging was built on open platforms and standards like XMPP and IRC? The golden year(s?) when Google Talk worked with AIM and anyone could choose whatever client they preferred? Welcome to the future friends when we must pay to battle the keymasters and gatekeepers on their terms to do what we used to do ourselves, for free. First they took my RSS, then they took my XMPP... Who can guess w…

I think what’s needed is an open chat protocol that also works well in mobile settings, since that’s where a huge chunk of the potential user base is these days.

What's needed are a bunch of users using the protocol.

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by sambe »

KingMob wrote: post #67

In the meantime, Facebook still hasn't gotten around to allowing 1-to-1 messages from users on mobile websites, and probably never will. Sharing on your wall, sure, but send something privately? Sorry, we haven't gotten around to fixing that 4-year-old bug yet. (Even weirder, it works fine in desktop browsers...)

What do you mean? Sending messages from mobile to a single user using the messages menu works doesn't it?

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by JoshTriplett »

knz wrote: post #136
djsumdog wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - this may disrupt paypal, as soon as you can send 'money' over a messaging app. American banking is so backwards and this will only make it worse. In Australia and New Zealand, no bank offers you checks. Do I own you $50? Well give me your BSB and account number. I type it into my phone app or web browser, type $50 and click send. It shows up tomorrow morning. Works on weekends, holidays, ANZAC day, New Years Day…

I don't think the average kiwi has seen a cheque in decades. After 10 years of living in the US I have started to rejoice in how despite being one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth the US still clings to things like paper cheques, $0.01/$0.05/$0.10 coins, US customary units, and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger. Perhaps it's a sign of assimilation?

> and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger.

Getting off topic for the article at hand, but what's different in Australian plumbing in that area?

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by robertfw »

gue5t wrote: post #94
hayksaakian wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is can you get in, win, and get out before any of that matters. If you 'rode the facebook apps' wave you probably made decent money unless you stayed in too long. Another strategy is to build an integration to messenger to get exposure for your totally independant app. For example If i made some pizza ordering ai, i could hook it up to messenger as an additional channel.

There's a word for people who only care about their own quality of life, and not that of those around them: "assholes". Don't be an asshole, and don't advocate "fuck you got mine" practices like these. Let's work to dismantle abusive systems like Facebook.

"fuck you got mine" pretty much sums up capitalism as we know it today. Don't hold your breath for change

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by op00to »

knz wrote: post #136
djsumdog wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - this may disrupt paypal, as soon as you can send 'money' over a messaging app. American banking is so backwards and this will only make it worse. In Australia and New Zealand, no bank offers you checks. Do I own you $50? Well give me your BSB and account number. I type it into my phone app or web browser, type $50 and click send. It shows up tomorrow morning. Works on weekends, holidays, ANZAC day, New Years Day…

I don't think the average kiwi has seen a cheque in decades. After 10 years of living in the US I have started to rejoice in how despite being one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth the US still clings to things like paper cheques, $0.01/$0.05/$0.10 coins, US customary units, and a plumbing system that requires most houses to own a plunger. Perhaps it's a sign of assimilation?

OK, explain the plunger comment please?

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by martinald »

djsumdog wrote: post #117
pierre wrote: post #104

It is now time to take all the innovations that have been happening in china around WeChat/WeiXin and to implement them into messenger. This time it's the other way around, we are actually going to copy the Chinese (they have had an API addressable messaging platform way before us and are ahead of us in the exploration of what work / is possible) : - this may disrupt Local business/shop relation to client. (see how w…

> - this may disrupt paypal, as soon as you can send 'money' over a messaging app. American banking is so backwards and this will only make it worse. In Australia and New Zealand, no bank offers you checks. Do I own you $50? Well give me your BSB and account number. I type it into my phone app or web browser, type $50 and click send. It shows up tomorrow morning. Works on weekends, holidays, ANZAC day, New Years Day…

The UK has the same but instant (technically 2 hours, but I've never seen it take that long) up to £100,000, works 24/7, free for personal (and v cheap for business - usually 30p up to 100k, or cheaper for start up business accounts).

Next day would seem as backwards as US ACH to us now :).

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by runn1ng »

As much as I don't like Telegram weird pseudo-crypto, I really like what they are doing with their bot API and the messenger is really good in general.

They are adding features like on fire.

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by dsp1234 »

cpach wrote: post #123
outside1234 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Facebook would use it? You are an optimist. (Not singling Facebook out -- there have been lots of open standards and every chat platform has moved away from them.)

No, I’m afraid they wouldn’t. That’s also a big part of the problem. What’s the incentive for a large player like FB to use an open chat protocol? Not much, it seems :-/

It's a pretty common pattern.

When you're small, you have no users, and need to start gathering network effects. So you champion and implement protocols that allow you to interoperate with other networks. You start to eat other companies lunches as you provide a better product.

As you get larger, that same interoperability starts to become a liability as other networks start eating in to your userbase. So you cut out interoperability and start building a walled garden.

Re: Facebook Messenger Platform

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Post by jeffasinger »

djsumdog wrote: post #117
pierre wrote: post #104

It is now time to take all the innovations that have been happening in china around WeChat/WeiXin and to implement them into messenger. This time it's the other way around, we are actually going to copy the Chinese (they have had an API addressable messaging platform way before us and are ahead of us in the exploration of what work / is possible) : - this may disrupt Local business/shop relation to client. (see how w…

> - this may disrupt paypal, as soon as you can send 'money' over a messaging app. American banking is so backwards and this will only make it worse. In Australia and New Zealand, no bank offers you checks. Do I own you $50? Well give me your BSB and account number. I type it into my phone app or web browser, type $50 and click send. It shows up tomorrow morning. Works on weekends, holidays, ANZAC day, New Years Day…

At least ACH is slowly working towards being faster. In less than 2 years, next business day ACH should be pretty universal. In about 6 months, some ACH transactions will clear the following morning.
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