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Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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I like the ownership idea that is pretty cool. I already pick Lyft whenever I can just because I noticed in the past drivers with Lyft were happier and some mentioned they were treated better by Lyft than when they were with Uber.

I have noticed a marked change in the quality of ride on Uber in DC in the last couple of months. It makes me wonder if Uber is tracking my engagement with their app and is deprioritizing me as a low-value customer since I only ride about once a week.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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This is why government regulation is so important. Most people don't mind others being exploited if its beneficial to them.

I disagree. Theres plenty of alternative services. If all Uber drivers left for lyft and Juno, then Uber would drastically be hurt in terms of drivers available, and users would have to migrate. As long as there is competition, theres no need for regulation in this market.

I don't think its wise to rely on market forces to ensure labor protections. It didn't work so well for tech workers several years ago [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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> All drivers there are licensed by the NYC Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC), as required by law. Their vehicles must also be licensed with the TLC, and they have to carry commercial insurance. This is going to negatively impact driver supply (making wait times higher, especially in the outer boroughs) and increase the cost of the service vs Uber. > Juno’s drivers will provide better service because they’re happie…

> This is going to negatively impact driver supply

All professional drivers, including Uber drivers, already need TLC licensing, as do their vehicles.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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This will show my age a bit, but am I the only one that had a rush of memories about Juno email seeing this headline? Good old dial up email... I'm probably just weird. At least the general population probably has no such associations with primitive email services.

That was my first thought when I saw "Juno" as well.

At the time, we didn't have local dial-up numbers so I used it very extensively. Standard Internet access was very expensive (and I was a young teenager so my parents were paying for it) so I subscribed to dozens of mailing lists and read them all off-line, dialing up to Juno just to send and receive. Most of my "downloading" in those days was facilitated by Juno and "ftp by e-mail".

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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I cant help but wonder if Juno and others are overestimating how much people care about the treatment of their drivers. I think very many people, myself included, would say that it is important to them that their driver is happy with his relationship with his employer. But at the end of the day does that really translate to a change in purchasing behavior? For me it does not. I use Uber here in Austin because it is s…

This is why government regulation is so important. Most people don't mind others being exploited if its beneficial to them.

To me, the exploitation that occurs in this system are the government regulations involved in someone just wanting to be paid to drive me from Point A to Point B.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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This will show my age a bit, but am I the only one that had a rush of memories about Juno email seeing this headline? Good old dial up email... I'm probably just weird. At least the general population probably has no such associations with primitive email services.

Juno still provides dialup service and free email. I just fixed a Juno email issue for a friend (which turned out to be their AVG blocking it). Not sure how this other company gets away with calling themselves Juno.

They're in a different space / industry.

Trademarks exist to prevent confusion between similar products. Juno, the free dial-up and e-mail provider and Juno the taxi/transportation(?) company are very different.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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> All drivers there are licensed by the NYC Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC), as required by law. Their vehicles must also be licensed with the TLC, and they have to carry commercial insurance. This is going to negatively impact driver supply (making wait times higher, especially in the outer boroughs) and increase the cost of the service vs Uber. > Juno’s drivers will provide better service because they’re happie…

> This is going to negatively impact driver supply All professional drivers, including Uber drivers, already need TLC licensing, as do their vehicles.

I use Uber as shorthand for UberX, where the vast majority of drivers (at least in my city) have no commercial licensing or insurance. That's what enables them to be so cheap and ubiquitous.

Maybe NYC specifically is different, I don't know.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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Seems weird to me that these are still called 'ride-sharing' services. Having used blablacar, which I would consider does true ride-sharing, uber and its ilk are more in the vein of ride-hiring.

Yes. If Uber is ride-sharing, then I guess factory work is "hand-sharing" and prostitution is "body-sharing"...

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why government regulation is so important. Most people don't mind others being exploited if its beneficial to them.

To me, the exploitation that occurs in this system are the government regulations involved in someone just wanting to be paid to drive me from Point A to Point B.

Can you explain to me how you feel exploited by the government protecting someone from being taken advantage of economically? I would genuinely like to understand this.

Re: Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is going to negatively impact driver supply All professional drivers, including Uber drivers, already need TLC licensing, as do their vehicles.

I use Uber as shorthand for UberX, where the vast majority of drivers (at least in my city) have no commercial licensing or insurance. That's what enables them to be so cheap and ubiquitous. Maybe NYC specifically is different, I don't know.

Yes, NYC is different. All for-hire drivers are required to go through the TLC. From Uber, itself: https://get.uber.com/cl/nyc/. TLC also regulates the types of vehicles that must be driven and mandates commercial insurance.
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