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Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

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Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#41

Quiet is not a great selling point. One of the big complaints in F1 right now is that the current spec engines are too quiet. The noise contributes hugely to the atmosphere and sense of speed.

Great selling point, except when you happen to live within earshot of a racetrack. Which is literally a radius of miles, easily enough to house half a million when you put the track in a densely populated area (which is increasingly rare, but still exists).

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#42
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I went to the Formula E Grandprix in Berlin last year. I am a pretty big F1 fan, watching most of the races and know whats going on but Forumla-E was actually pretty bland and boring, i believe mostly due to missing any kind of engine noise. It kind of feels like very fast soapboxes racing around (not nearly as fast as F1 though).

Same here. It has zero appeal for motorsport fans. Maybe there is some new audience for this in the future, but right now it's probably more about technology demonstration.

(I don't disagree with this being great technology, I would love to have quiet cities, what we do to the space we live in right now is an abomination in my view)

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#43
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I don't think it's entirely a misconception. Yes, some people mistakenly think that an all-EV world will be totally silent, and it won't, but the noise reduction is still huge. In most situations, the average is much less important than the maximum, so the fact that typical noise from modern cars is mostly tires and air is irrelevant. Trucks, motorcycles, and performance cars are what make up the bulk of the annoying…

True, it would help a lot in city centers where tipically cars have to accelerate from a stop at lights, but not on highway style roads.

Even there, the constant drone of tires is far more tolerable than the occasional blatttt of sports bikes or the rumble of a tractor trailer.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#44

To answer the supposition at the end of the article, they're already working on driverless racecars. http://selfracingcars.com/

At what point will we be discussing humanless humanity ?

Wait, isn't that what we are working on anyway?

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point will we be discussing humanless humanity ?

Wait, isn't that what we are working on anyway?

Funny paradox isn't it ? should we stop before it's too late ? or maybe we plan to rely on a climate catastrophe to set progress back to the Jurassic era.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#46
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I think the horses (hooves, rattling coaches with no rubber tires) may have made more noise than that.

But not everyone had a horse carriage back then.

Horses were shod and wheels were usually metal rimmed. Even muddy tracks have stones in them, and often roads were 'metalled' or cobble stoned.

I've done a lot of horse driving as a hobby and can attest to how loud it is, particularly metal rimmed wheels on cobble stones.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#47
I couldn't really tell if that first kid liked cars or not. He certainly doesn't look that interested.

Here's how you get a kid to get interested in this kind of event. First, buy good earphones. Super important - it's incredibly loud. Next, go to a top fuel event.

If you are grown and haven't been to a top fuel drag race, I HIGHLY recommend you try it once. Once is enough to figure it out.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#48
post #36

I went to the Formula E Grandprix in Berlin last year. I am a pretty big F1 fan, watching most of the races and know whats going on but Forumla-E was actually pretty bland and boring, i believe mostly due to missing any kind of engine noise. It kind of feels like very fast soapboxes racing around (not nearly as fast as F1 though).

Just wondering, have you ever attended a F1 race in person? I ask because after watching WTCC for a long time, when I attended my first live race I found it pretty boring as well. Watching on TV allows me to follow the race, and I missed that a lot when attending live.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, isn't that what we are working on anyway?

Funny paradox isn't it ? should we stop before it's too late ? or maybe we plan to rely on a climate catastrophe to set progress back to the Jurassic era.

Maybe these robots will be smart enough to understand how great humanity was and teach us.

Re: Electric race cars that look like Formula 1, but are eerily quiet

#50

Are Formula E cars geared? Electric engines can deliver the same optimal torque throughout the RPM range, so is shifting involved? That's obviously an important part of the F1 drivers' skillset (especially during starts) so I'm curious if they just have work the brake and accelerator or also worry about gear changes.

Electric motors are usually torque limited (especially modern inverter driven ones), so they have a constant maximum torque throughout their speed range. However, this means that at higher speeds, they are able to deliver more power, so gearing is actually beneficial. Formula E cars have 5 gears.

There is a lot of work done to change the performance - ideally you'd actually not want flat torque, but high torque at low speed and lower at high speed to reduce the need for switchable gears. This is done with techniques like flux weakening.

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