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YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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I'm curious. So you think, this may work as an argument? You think that if I tell my parents this, they'll suddenly start using the command line? Let me tell you how it works now: I've installed a download addon for them. Because they have no idea and before they install crap, I'll do it for them. I did not explain anything nor did I tell them that I did install that addon. They automatically clicked the red "downloa…

> You think that if I tell my parents this, they'll suddenly start using the command line? Probably not, but that doesn't really matter as it was never the intention (if it were, there's probably a better place to write it than Hacker News). I was offering software developers a perspective which demonstrates that the GUI/CLI distinction is mostly artificial, and that a CLI doesn't automatically mean "hard to use". Af…

You are of course right with the part about user-friendliness but you do realize that most of the internet population did not understand what you tried to say with most of the sentences? ;)

So yes, it depends on the users just as well as your target group.

I'm not sure what your assumption that the difference is mostly artificial bases on since just the difference in the physical act is already overwhelming.

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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Is it really possible to block youtube-dl? All it does is the same thing Youtube's own HMTL5 player does, except that it saves the video instead of playing it back.

Yes. It's called a cease and desist.

From https://www.quora.com/Is-downloading-YouTube-videos-legal/an...

Downloading from YouTube is in most cases not illegal - it could be considered time-shifting for personal consumption, in some cases fair use, both of which are legal in US. In some cases though - like downloading the movies that are paid or videos with limited distributions and not available in the States, could be considered copyright infringement.

What downloading does though is break YouTube's Terms of Service. Even though some courts already stated explicitly that breaking Terms of Service is not illegal, doing so might still get you in trouble in civil court, as you are breaking an agreement between yourself and the company services of which you are using.

If you would be using YouTube APIs for your product, they would probably suspend your access if they wouldn't like your product, so something to consider.

Is it ok to download the videos for offline viewing? Your choice - might not be illegal, but not 'ok' from YouTube's point of view.

Doesn't youtube lose out on advertising revenue this way? Yes - that's is precisely the reason for the rule :)

The big unknown here is that the issue has not been presented in US courts yet, at least as far as I know, so there is no precedent.

Hope it helps.

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Also check http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/internet/is-it-legal-downl...

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Also check http://lifehacker.com/5901773/breaking-a-terms-of-service-is...

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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post #317

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no, that's the highest format, not the highest format that will download in one file, as opposed to two which have to be merged, meaning playing .part files is impossible

Are you saying the documentation is wrong? And not once but twice: You can also use special names to select particular edge case format: * best: Select best quality format represented by single file with video and audio And again: > Since the end of April 2015 and version 2015.04.26 youtube-dl uses -f bestvideo+bestaudio/ best as default format selection (see #5447, #5456). If ffmpeg or avconv are installed this resu…

oh duh, sorry. I thought I read somewhere that best was the default option

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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I threw this together for the less savvy #!/bin/bash clear youtube-dl -U echo " " echo "YouTube Downloader Script" echo "A video file will be created in the folder where this script is located" echo " " echo "Please paste a URL and hit [ENTER]:" read URL youtube-dl $URL Edit: youtube-dl -U only works if it was manually installed, so leave that out if you installed from apt or whatever

Equally as meaningless to every average user. People on HN/github/etc generally just don't understand what it means to be a non-technical user.

You can mark it execute on click.

Granted you still need to know how to cut and paste

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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post #323

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Yes. It's called a cease and desist.

From https://www.quora.com/Is-downloading-YouTube-videos-legal/an... Downloading from YouTube is in most cases not illegal - it could be considered time-shifting for personal consumption, in some cases fair use, both of which are legal in US. In some cases though - like downloading the movies that are paid or videos with limited distributions and not available in the States, could be considered copyright infringement…

Unless his attorneys are going to go up against YouTube's attorneys and drag this through to the Supreme Court (that is, unless he has a few million dollars sitting around earmarked for his lawyer), it can and will be stopped by a cease and desist. If YouTube sued him, they'd probably get an injunction preventing him from distributing youtube-dl until the case was resolved.

Even if it were litigated all the way up to SCOTUS, there is no guarantee that the Supremes would see a video downloading device the same way they see a video recording device (and the ruling that stated home recording was fair use, Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc (colloquially, the "Betamax case"), was itself a controversial 5-4 ruling) instead of the way they see a peer-to-peer distribution network like Napster.

There are many spurious C&Ds sent to people for violations of the CFAA based upon a site's Terms of Use each year; big companies squashing competitors they dislike, or even non-competitors that embarrass the company by providing a service that they've as yet been unable to figure out, etc. The argument that violation of the Terms of Use constitutes unauthorized access under the CFAA has prevailed in court multiple times, and even if it hadn't, once a C&D is received, the authorization is at that point certainly revoked and thus, continued access equates to a violation of the CFAA.

There are copyright and trademark issues here too, even if you can prevail on the CFAA issues (not likely). Judges have ruled that downloading a webpage into RAM in order to extract non-copyrightable data is copyright infringement, because the momentary existence of the entire page in RAM is an unauthorized copy.

Various counterarguments that shift the blame to the consumer, e.g., "we don't actually talk to YouTube's server, we just take a URL that the customer submits via the extension and convert it to another URL, and that doesn't involve accessing YouTube's servers", usually fail (though logically extension developers shouldn't be any more liable than browser developers for their customers' use). One could be considered a conspirator or an accessory to CFAA violations.

So, yes, it could and would be stopped by a C&D unless Richard Branson or some other megamillionaire is secretly bankrolling youtube-dl, and even then, its chances of surviving the legal battle unscathed are pretty slim.

Similar considerations apply to something like PriceZombie, which Amazon just shut down because it doesn't like what the data reveals. The legal situation here is a seriously understated social problem.

You may read this and say it sounds like web crawlers like Google are illegal. Well, yes, they are. The difference is that Google was able to hit critical mass before such a devastating lawsuit was brought, and now they're effectively too big to sue out of existence. If you are making an internet company or product, you have to hope this happens to you before you make someone mad and get sued to death.

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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post #307

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>SEO rigging? That's mostly having links from other reputable sources. If this software is good, other good sites will link to it rising it up in the search results. This is a myth perpetrated by Google and it's entirely false. The fact is that if you aren't actively engaged in spa--err, SEO--, you will be outgamed and crushed by anyone moderately competent at spa-- err, "internet marketing". I make a point of replyi…

Did you actually approach the media, authorities in the niche, Techcrunch, etc? Because you can't just rely on 'on site' SEO to succeed. Adding a bunch of content on your own site is good, but what's really needed is to get authorities elsewhere to link to it. So you need to get good at marketing/PR, in the sense of talking to people with popular sites and social media channels. You can do a ton of stuff on your own…

The niche was extremely specific. It's not something the NY Times or TechCrunch or other big generic media outlets would've reported on.

As for niche authorities, there are only a very small handful of them. I did contact them. One of them never replied and started deleting all references to my project off of their message boards where users had been raving about it. I don't have any official reason why, I can only speculate that they saw some sort of competitive threat in it, though it wasn't competing other than providing a service to the same small niche at the time.

Another niche authority I spoke with pretended that they were interested in running a story about me long enough to get into the beta and get a feel for how it worked, at which point they stopped replying to me, blocked me everywhere that has a block function, and tried to copy the idea themselves. Their copycat was so bad that it was shut down by their host for spam violations within a month. I tried to follow up after the fact here and never got a reply.

I got one or two sites to link to me as a paid sponsorship thing. I don't think they put nofollow on their links, but I'm sure their PageRank was pretty small anyway. My guess would be that most domains in the niche don't have a lot of influence with Google.

In a dysfunctional niche like the one I was involved in, where everyone is hyper-paranoid that any new person on the scene, even if they're not directly competing, could be their death, Google's link authority approach doesn't really work.

I made extensive use of social media through the advertising options on Facebook and Twitter. I also ran AdWords. The results from the first 2 were fine and the results from AdWords were below average. However, all that was proven to be useless when compared with an organized spam campaign, which I was intentionally trying not to run.

I've since accepted that you have to deploy some of these tactics that everyone complains about and pretends are so evil, whilst they do them behind their back. I wish I would've accepted that earlier instead of believing the bullshit that's put out about this.

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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post #307

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Did you actually approach the media, authorities in the niche, Techcrunch, etc? Because you can't just rely on 'on site' SEO to succeed. Adding a bunch of content on your own site is good, but what's really needed is to get authorities elsewhere to link to it. So you need to get good at marketing/PR, in the sense of talking to people with popular sites and social media channels. You can do a ton of stuff on your own…

The niche was extremely specific. It's not something the NY Times or TechCrunch or other big generic media outlets would've reported on. As for niche authorities, there are only a very small handful of them. I did contact them. One of them never replied and started deleting all references to my project off of their message boards where users had been raving about it. I don't have any official reason why, I can only s…

Wow, that's pretty awful. Out of curiosity, what is this niche? Sounds like one where the major players in the field are messed up beyond belief.

Last time I heard stories like that was about heavily spammed niches, like casinos or pharmacies or SEO itself.

But yeah, if you're in a field where competitors are either ultra paranoid or sleazy, then you'll likely have to resort to 'dirty' tactics.

Re: YouTube-dl: Open-source YouTube downloader

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post #198

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If you are looking for something to give your family members, almost everyone I know uses the open-source tool jdownloader [0] to download youtube videos. It's a ponderous java monster but it works great and comes with a huge plugin collection for numerous sites. The fact that it has a gui makes it really accessibly to non-technical people. There seems to be talk about AdWare in the installer but I personally never h…

I know jdownloader. Have been using it in it's early days for 1-click hosters on a separate machine. Don't trust it at all ;)

Another jdownloader user here. I have similar misgivings about its trustworthiness, but so far I haven't found any concrete reasons to distrust it other than that vague sense of unease. It's just so damn useful though!
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