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Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Why use front companies and hide their activities? They are domestic law enforcement and not intelligence; shouldn't what they do be mostly out in the open?

1. These are most likely not front companies but ISR contractors.

2. FBI is both a law enforcement and intelligence organization.

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I really wish this weren't on Buzzfeed.

Why? They're putting out more and more quality material, and it could be argued that they're getting interesting topics in front of a broader audience.

That's true—I only discovered this after getting two down votes and putting in some research. I suppose it's cool, this new content. And you make a great point about a broader audience; this is definitely needed.

The reason I wrote the comment initially is because it seemed off to me—like showing up to a business meeting at a law firm in a pink and yellow plaid suit.

I was wrong.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Good on the FBI/DHS, I say. Not everything is a conspiracy.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to dislike it. Also, they tend to keep these actions secret, which doesn't bode well for government transparency and government trust.

The problem with making public the methods they use to catch criminals is that criminals would then know how to evade the FBI...

You can't investigate a criminal/terrorist and simultaneously tell the public exactly what you're doing, step by step. It's not practical.

There are tradeoffs we all have to make. Idealism isn't compatible with the kind of work the fbi does.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Circling surveillance planes are unsettling no matter if it is routine or not. I believe they should have warrants for these and maybe they do, maybe they don't. There is not enough transparency to know (even just a report of the number of investigations and outstanding warrants in cities or districts would be enough).

Why would they need warrants for watching a person in a public place? You don't have an expectation of privacy in that situation.

According to California v Ciraolo, you don't even have that expectation in your own back yard.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Why use front companies and hide their activities? They are domestic law enforcement and not intelligence; shouldn't what they do be mostly out in the open?

1. These are most likely not front companies but ISR contractors. 2. FBI is both a law enforcement and intelligence organization.

3. Money to rent a plane comes out of a different part of the budget than a capital expenditure to buy and outfit their own plane. And so it's easier to justify to the boss.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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FBI secrecy makes it hard to challenge these tactics, because it's not clear what "these tactics" are, and whose information is actually being gathered.

The last aerial surveillance case I can recall is California v. Ciraolo, which was about surveillance with the naked eye. I hope that these flights wouldn't survive a legal challenge, but I also believe that the FBI would be likely to launder anything gathered via parallel construction -- engineering a "normal" traffic stop, etc., based on gathered information.

As with the use of Stingrays, secrecy is used to thwart justice. I don't know how to stop it.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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I have to admit, https://buzzfeednews.github.io/2016-04-federal-surveillance-... is not something I would expect from Buzzfeed. Huge surprise.

We are at the point now where if you are surprised by the serious journalism going on at Buzzfeed, it just means you have not been paying attention.

It's very easy not to pay attention, when Facebook provide the "don't show me anything from XYZ" button.
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