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Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by rmxt »

refurb wrote: post #26
daveguy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Circling surveillance planes are unsettling no matter if it is routine or not. I believe they should have warrants for these and maybe they do, maybe they don't. There is not enough transparency to know (even just a report of the number of investigations and outstanding warrants in cities or districts would be enough).

Why would they need warrants for watching a person in a public place? You don't have an expectation of privacy in that situation.

There needs to be further refinement as to what actually constitutes "watching", e.g. with respect to duration, frequency, information monitored, etc. US v. Jones held that installing a GPS device on a car constituted a trespass against one's "personal effects".

I think the similar argument here would be that a near constant observation of someone, even while in public, would amount to the same sort of search, even though one has a very low expectation of privacy while in public.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by mynewtb »

rpgmaker wrote: post #16
donatj wrote: post #3

Map shows right over my house, the conspiracy theorist in me says 'they're watching me!'

Well, they are... the question is: are they "collecting" you?

Well, they are... the question is: when will they use it against them?

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by zodiakzz »

drhodes wrote: post #24

reminds me of a radiolab episode: http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ here's the summary, > In 2004, when casualties in Iraq were rising due to roadside bombs, Ross McNutt and his team came up with an idea. With a small plane and a 44 mega-pixel camera, they figured out how to watch an entire city all at once, all day long. Whenever a bomb detonated, they could zoom onto that spot and then, because this eye in the…

Fascinating.. we should try this in Pakistan.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by mmaunder »

That C208 they're using via a front company has cargo space in the luggage area for radio and camera equipment and it's much less obvious than putting a radome below the fuselage.

Here's a fun clip of the Iraqis using a 208 to launch a hellfire. https://youtu.be/eSKsrILHxNM?t=57s

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by johansch »

brbsix wrote: post #13

For anyone who wants to see the live data for themselves, go to http://www.adsbexchange.com/ , click 'Global Radar View'. Then click 'Menu', 'Options', 'Filters', then enable the 'Interesting' filter. It's a Sunday, so there's not too much activity. However there's currently an FBI Cessna circling west of Washington D.C. [0] There's also a plane gridding east of LA. [1] It's registered to Dynamic Aviation Group out o…

That web UI doesn't seem to work in Chrome, but it did work in Firefox.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by chk »

johansch wrote: post #36
brbsix wrote: post #13

For anyone who wants to see the live data for themselves, go to http://www.adsbexchange.com/ , click 'Global Radar View'. Then click 'Menu', 'Options', 'Filters', then enable the 'Interesting' filter. It's a Sunday, so there's not too much activity. However there's currently an FBI Cessna circling west of Washington D.C. [0] There's also a plane gridding east of LA. [1] It's registered to Dynamic Aviation Group out o…

That web UI doesn't seem to work in Chrome, but it did work in Firefox.

That's weird, it's working for me in Chrome. What particularly wasn't working for you?

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by johansch »

chk wrote: post #37
johansch wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That web UI doesn't seem to work in Chrome, but it did work in Firefox.

That's weird, it's working for me in Chrome. What particularly wasn't working for you?

I maybe have just been confused by the delay/lack of confirmation + the clunky UI. On the second try it worked.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above

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Post by rpgmaker »

mynewtb wrote: post #32
rpgmaker wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they are... the question is: are they "collecting" you?

Well, they are... the question is: when will they use it against them?

Not necessarily, govtspeak explanation[1]:

Normally, one would think that a communication that has been intercepted and stored in a government database as “collected.” But the government’s definition of what it means to “collect” intelligence information is quite different than its plain meaning.

Under Department of Defense regulations, information is considered to be “collected” only after it has been “received for use by an employee of a DoD intelligence component,” and “data acquired by electronic means is ‘collected’ only when it has been processed into intelligible form.”

In other words, the NSA can intercept and store communications in its data base, then have an algorithm search them for key words and analyze the meta data without ever considering the communications “collected.”

[1] https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/wordgames#collect

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