Congratulations You’ve Been Fired

Post by sgt101 » Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 6:37 AM UTC

chrisyeh wrote: post #125

For the record, I'm one of the co-authors of "The Alliance," which Dan Lyons refers to in his op ed. Dan refers to our book and quotes a single sentence fragment: "Your company is not your family." Everything else he writes in that section of the piece has nothing to do with the content of the book. 1) "You’re serving a “tour of duty” that might last a year or two" Actually, the book makes it clear that the duration…

Post by justin_vanw » Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 6:38 AM UTC

sremani wrote: post #265

justin_vanw wrote: post #225

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Oh, I get it, like when you go to a funeral and people try to focus on the the memories that make them happy, or find comfort in religious fairy tales about 'living forever'. Or when people who are fired are allowed to 'resign' to save face. I think this isn't as nefarious as the internet hive mind seems to think: Imagine that someone quits to go onto better things, more money, etc. Of course you throw them a going a…

Firing is rejection, it does not necessarily mean that the person being fired has anything to do with it. Whole unit moving to a different city, moving to a different tech stack. Brining in pals of the New Director, etc. etc. There are 1000 reasons, but Firing is REJECTION. At a human level, only the vexed are relieved that they are fired, most even after understanding the big picture are not in a rejoicing state of…

Post by chrisyeh » Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 6:39 AM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #294

chrisyeh wrote: post #262

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Two clarifications: When I say "lifetime employment at a single company," I refer to spending one's entire career at a single firm. When I say that employment is a voluntary relationship, I mean that the employer cannot compel an employee to accept a job offer, and that an employee cannot compel an employer to extend one.

You are basically saying that all employment is for contractors with fixed start and end dates and that must be extended! That's not how permanent employment works in many parts of the world, nor is it even desirable.

Post by justin_vanw » Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 6:41 AM UTC

hitekker wrote: post #240

justin_vanw wrote: post #121

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Too young? I wish! I went through your comments and figured out who you are in real life, and I found that I basically agree with most of the things you say, so I won't give you a hard time. I think Kirkland Signature makes good stuff too! Edit: That sounded really stalker-ish, I did it to see if you are actually even older than I am.

> That sounded really stalker-ish, I did it to see if you are actually even older than I am. It does.

Post by dang » Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 6:48 AM UTC

openfuture wrote: post #291

incepted wrote: post #231

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> the point we make in the book is that few employees expect or want lifetime employment at a single company Any citation about this claim? Because in my experience, it's completely incorrect. Outside of the US, lifetime employment is a heavily coveted goal, because economies outside of the US are in a terrible shape overall with unemployment rate routinely above 10%. Inside the US, except for white collar workers in…

Have you ever left the US? There is no way not wanting lifetime employment is something unique to the US, it seems far more likely that it would be connected to status than nationality (and that has been my experience for what it's worth)