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Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

I also have imposter syndrome, but of a different kind. I also grew up poor. The section of NYC that I grew up in still has not experienced gentrification in 2016! Yes, that poor. Five people in two bedroom apartment. Everyone working to make ends meet.

Nowadays, I am rich. Perhaps not millionaire rich, but I live very comfortably. I have no need to balance my checkbook. That said, I feel like I do not belong. I should be driving luxury cars and living care free, but I do not. Feel like everything can be taken away from me. What have I done to have all this money?

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

I also have imposter syndrome, but of a different kind. I also grew up poor. The section of NYC that I grew up in still has not experienced gentrification in 2016! Yes, that poor. Five people in two bedroom apartment. Everyone working to make ends meet. Nowadays, I am rich. Perhaps not millionaire rich, but I live very comfortably. I have no need to balance my checkbook. That said, I feel like I do not belong. I shou…

Is it East New York?

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I grew up poor. Literally across the street from the projects, which we absolutely qualified for, but didn't because my parents refused to for a myriad of reasons (mostly to avoid shame). We were Section 8 for the first 15 years of my life.

My parents valued education in theory, but not as much in practice. My father learned the hard way and redeemed himself in his 20s -- managing to get into the Army Corp of Engineers after initially dropping out of high school. They pounded the importance of education into my sister and I when I was very young, but that seemed to taper off when I was about 9 or 10, when we were left to our own devices.

How did I thrive? Simple. At around the age of 12 I realized that they were mostly idiots. They made terrible financial decisions (which they're paying for now, as they have no retirement savings), my father -- mostly working in factories/landfills -- made no career moves (on account of my mother discouraging him at every opportunity), and my mother simply parroted the advice spewed by the TV, but did the exact opposite. My goal was to avoid ending up like them at all costs -- ending up in a crappy part of a city 50 years in decline with "a good job" being something like working in a furniture store, and being complacent with it.

I was fortunate in my early 20s (after I dropped out of a state college in which I felt I was getting a bad deal for my $) to work with an older QA engineer who took a similar path. He had it much worse than I when he grew up, but he could empathize with my upbringing, as it felt all too familiar to him. At the time he felt I was getting a raw deal from my employer, so he would invite me over on the weekends to have lunch with him and his wife (and his daughters, who were my age) to drive into all our heads on how to better make informed decisions about our current state at a given moment.

Solid, extremely pragmatic advice from the two of them. As well as painful examples of mistakes both of them made along the way, to show they were far from perfect themselves. Much of it focusing on the long term even if it involves temporarily stunting yourself in the short term, or cutting ties with people you may have had relationships with but were ultimately toxic. Some of the advice was certainly hard to follow in practice, but I'm still to find a case where it wasn't the best move I could've made, and regretted not following some of it earlier.

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I also have imposter syndrome, but of a different kind. I also grew up poor. The section of NYC that I grew up in still has not experienced gentrification in 2016! Yes, that poor. Five people in two bedroom apartment. Everyone working to make ends meet. Nowadays, I am rich. Perhaps not millionaire rich, but I live very comfortably. I have no need to balance my checkbook. That said, I feel like I do not belong. I shou…

Is it East New York?

I do not say that I lived in a bad neighborhood! :) Then again, everywhere was bad in the '70s and '80s, especially during the crack epidemic. Just a very immigrant community. My family was the token white family on the block (but also immigrants). Not sure if any white people live there now, but there might be a few. By white people, I mean gentrifiers in poorer marginalized neighborhoods. And by gentrification, I mean Starbucks and nannies pushing strollers.

Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

Impostor syndrome is simply self-awareness - when you know you don't know and feel that you should, it makes you uncomfortable.

It's not a matter of schooling - you can fill the gaps just as well on your own - school is an easier, albeit more expensive route.

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

College doesn't "cure" imposter syndrome. I'm not sure what does.

For me, success. I started being much more willing to believe the projection of confidence that I had learned to do in order to sell myself as capable and competent once I realized that I was coming in above the level promised by that projection in the first place.

It really is "fake it 'til you make it." But in my experience that does go away, a lot, once you can really say to yourself that you've made it (even just a little).

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I was born in a trailer park in Oklahoma. Lived in a 1 bedroom shack, and then lived with my grandparents until high school after my parents got divorced. I grew up very poor. But I loved computers, thanks to my dad having a Commodore 64. I excelled at math, loved computers, and went to DeVry to do computer programming. I was the first in my family to go to college. Started my first tech company at 22. With a lot of…

I'd qualify it by saying: "With a lot of hard work, and the legal freedom to move away, anyone can break out of poverty." Staying in the same place (sounds like your grandparents were kick ass people) is pretty much the death sentence and many people, after certain youthful indiscretions may not be permitted to leave the area. Plus, you're white so I'm guessing you've never been detained for "matching the description…

> "With a lot of hard work, and the legal freedom to move away, anyone can break out of poverty."

And, in many ways, the purest luck of the draw. If his grandfather didn't have a C64, what happens? Or for me, if my dad doesn't happen to go from selling office furniture to playing with computers when I was very young and I don't happen to then have computers lying around that I'm allowed to play with basically unimpeded from the age of three or four...am I in this field? Am I as good at it as I am? Isolating causes is so very, very difficult when it comes to the individual (easier when you are working with statistically meaningful populations, of course); trying to boil it down to "hard work" leaves out a lot of "hard workers" who end up disabled before they're 60 because their jobs grind them to powder.

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

College doesn't "cure" imposter syndrome. I'm not sure what does.

Impostor syndrome is just a specialized example of not understanding your place in the world (being insecure).

What cures insecurity is a shift of priorities and worldview - from the unrealistic list of achievements you've been told you need to accomplish (the root of your insecurity syndromes), to doing your own thing, to living your own life.

Of course that involves alienating everyone you rely upon for the most part. So not only do you need to be strong enough to stand on your own two feet emotionally, but financially as well. So it's baby-steps to get there, like everything else.

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I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…

You should definitely consider the University of London International programme [1]. It's a distance learning course thats totally compatible with working at the same time, costs less than $8000 for the 3-year degree, and UK degrees are usually counted as equivalent to US degrees with regards to employment or further study. I'm just completing my first year of the course now. I've studied at some pretty good schools,…

Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. I had no idea something like this existed. As someone who has done online learning in the past (Academy of Art University, Udacity, Coursera), this seems like something right up my alley. $8000/year is extremely reasonable.

Some quick questions:

Are there any extra fees? How many classes in first/second/third year? Are they separated by semester or quarter? Does this include General Ed? Are there any previous qualifications one needs before applying?

EDIT: I answered most of my questions on that page! My only concern is passing the GCE "AS" Level which I can't find too much information on...

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