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I don't think it's a tragedy because if it was very popular and easy to use YouTube would likely block it. It's directly competing with their own YouTube Red. Also look at popular Linux distros like Ubuntu. As soon as they reach mass market they lose what made them special to begin with and start experimenting with advertising and so on.
Is it really possible to block youtube-dl? All it does is the same thing Youtube's own HMTL5 player does, except that it saves the video instead of playing it back.
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#242The tragedy of this software (and many like it) is that despite working exactly as advertised, easily and with a lot of features, because it's a quiet open source project without any SEO rigging it will never appear in page 1 of any searches by laymen trying to download videos ("save youtube to hard drive", "download youtube videos" et al). The amount of crapware I've had to remove from family member's PCs just becau…
SEO rigging? That's mostly having links from other reputable sources. If this software is good, other good sites will link to it rising it up in the search results. Lot's of open source projects come up top of the results when you search for stuff because of this fact.
This is a myth perpetrated by Google and it's entirely false. The fact is that if you aren't actively engaged in spa--err, SEO--, you will be outgamed and crushed by anyone moderately competent at spa-- err, "internet marketing".
I make a point of replying to this because my established, objectively-superior-in-every-tangible-way company was creamed by a bad copycat that had a pre-existing spam apparatus, despite our one-year head start and, as already stated, every conceivable advantage (we were cheaper, more effective (their stuff basically didn't work at all), and much more attractive (they were using a crappy WordPress template; we had a beautiful custom design created by professional designers)).
I was dumb enough to believe Google's statement that if you're good, you'll gain organic links and your rank will rise. Our SEO strategy was based on writing a lot of blog posts and hoping their relevance and high-quality information would facilitate a rise in the ranks (our competitor had no content at all; just a landing page promoting his bad knockoff product). This strategy had basically no effect. Making good content and/or products and crossing your fingers simply does not work if you have commercial competitors.
>Lots of open source projects come up top of the results when you search for stuff because of this fact.
Technical projects that are either so ubiquitous it wouldn't make any sense for Google to display anything else, so niche that there is no real commercial competition targeting non-technical people, or both. As can be clearly seen with youtube-dl, if it's a keyword that other parties are interested in monetizing, you have to either play the game or lose. The game is not what Google or Matt Cutts say it is (that's disinformation), the game is what actually gets you to a high ranking on Google.
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#244I'm in China and streaming youtube videos is mostly out of the question, due to the very unpredictable and usually too slow nature of connectivity (I gave up on VPN long time ago and use a number of strategically placed cheap virtual servers). Over the years, youtube-dl has been a godsend. I ssh into one of my servers, download the video and then rsync it over to my laptop. Most of the time I don't really need to hav…
Why not use an SSH tunnel as a SOCKS proxy? Would save you a few steps there.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's a tragedy because if it was very popular and easy to use YouTube would likely block it. It's directly competing with their own YouTube Red. Also look at popular Linux distros like Ubuntu. As soon as they reach mass market they lose what made them special to begin with and start experimenting with advertising and so on.
Is it really possible to block youtube-dl? All it does is the same thing Youtube's own HMTL5 player does, except that it saves the video instead of playing it back.
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#246The tragedy of this software (and many like it) is that despite working exactly as advertised, easily and with a lot of features, because it's a quiet open source project without any SEO rigging it will never appear in page 1 of any searches by laymen trying to download videos ("save youtube to hard drive", "download youtube videos" et al). The amount of crapware I've had to remove from family member's PCs just becau…
I treat youtube-dl like Fight Club. I am glad it isn't on the top of searches since I am afraid sites would start trying to stop it from working harder.
SHHH - dont talk about ytdl...
obv if the masses start talking about things like this, then sites like YT will go on the attack. WE DO NOT WANT THIS.
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> and try to recoup costs through ads you're bypassing that by downloading the video with this tool. 99% of the people and organizations in YouTube never recoup costs. For almost all this is wishful thinking.
It doesn't matter if they do or do not. They will recoup something and that's better than nothing.
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#248Not exactly related to this but I remember someone wrote a script which lets you download any song (by name, artist or some phrase from the song). It uses youtube api to search the song and then download it using youtube-dl.
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#249Isn't it illegal to download youtube videos?
Germany has a law that permits downloading for personal use. AFAIK in Germany that would trump YouTube's Terms of Service. ToS are legally binding, for the most part [0]. Though there may be parts that aren't enforceable or wouldn't hold up in the court of law.
YouTube Terms of Service [1] doesn't permit "creating a copy". In practice this is never enforced when the video is used under Fair Use. Otherwise you'd never see any Youtubers reviewing other Youtube videos. While it is against the Terms of Service, I'm not sure if it would actually hold up in court.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service
[1] https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
>Content is provided to you AS IS. You may access Content for your information and personal use solely as intended through the provided functionality of the Service and as permitted under these Terms of Service. You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content. You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content. YouTube and its licensors reserve all rights not expressly granted in and to the Service and the Content.
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It's not easy because it's an command line. Not a single family member would touch this here. It's sad but understandable.
Can't find the link now but I remember a computer educator in the UK describing how he taught the command-line to a bunch of seniors. They had been complaining about how difficult it was to follow all the crazy windows popping up everywhere and never knowing which button to click. This is actually a problem for many seniors. One day he installed Linux on a PC, booted into the console, and told them that this was "sto…
Still need to uninstall Chrome from time to time though. Thanks Avast Update.