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The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by [deleted] »

Agustus wrote: post #3
awinter-py wrote: post #2

I was really hoping that barack would be the con-law president. If uchicago hasn't moved down in the rankings because their prof. emeritus is so bad at 'rule of law in practice', there's something wrong with the ranking system. It's shocking to hear a guy who was a professional legal theorist argue that something is legal based on the fact that he ordered the DOJ to write a memo.

I wish more university rankings would have the results of their students held against them. An exit test of abilities, logic, and knowledge would be a great ranking system. Additionally, when Presidents claim to be constitution law focused and fail in almost all of the concepts of following the constitution, the professors have failed and the department should be redacted down, similar to the division system in socce…

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Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by wonderlust »

dnsjjebw wrote: post #35
awinter-py wrote: post #2

I was really hoping that barack would be the con-law president. If uchicago hasn't moved down in the rankings because their prof. emeritus is so bad at 'rule of law in practice', there's something wrong with the ranking system. It's shocking to hear a guy who was a professional legal theorist argue that something is legal based on the fact that he ordered the DOJ to write a memo.

Obama is a war criminal who condones torture. In a just country he would be in jail. Endemic corruption will continue in America until those in power suffer consequences. Also, my comment will probably be banned by the pro state mods.

Or by people who recognize trolls and no value comments.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by Naritai »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #10
Agustus wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more university rankings would have the results of their students held against them. An exit test of abilities, logic, and knowledge would be a great ranking system. Additionally, when Presidents claim to be constitution law focused and fail in almost all of the concepts of following the constitution, the professors have failed and the department should be redacted down, similar to the division system in socce…

They already take the LSAT to get in, what more logic test stats do you want - Edit - it's a legitimate question, moreso than hand-waving about "post graduation logic tests".

Pretty sure OP is referring to logical application of legal concepts, not brain-teasers.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by exabrial »

awinter-py wrote: post #2

I was really hoping that barack would be the con-law president. If uchicago hasn't moved down in the rankings because their prof. emeritus is so bad at 'rule of law in practice', there's something wrong with the ranking system. It's shocking to hear a guy who was a professional legal theorist argue that something is legal based on the fact that he ordered the DOJ to write a memo.

I'm scared of his supreme court pick for this exact reason. The executive branch is not granted that kind of power.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by vilhelm_s »

lbaskin wrote: post #8
bitwize wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama's reign was never about hope and change; it was always about der Wille zur Macht . Riddle me this -- what if Obama became a Constitutional law professor not so much to study, understand, and teach about the Constitution and its checks on government power, but to give scholarly support to a loose interpretation of the Constitution which does not meaningfully restrain government power ?

As far as I see, he only really taught some fluff courses on "rights, race and gender." [1] Not quite what comes to the minds of most lawyers and law students when someone says "con law professor." [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html?pag...

The article says, "At the school, Mr. Obama taught three courses, ascending to senior lecturer, a title otherwise carried only by a few federal judges. His most traditional course was in the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law. His voting rights class traced the evolution of election law, from the disenfranchisement of blacks to contemporary debates over districting and campaign finance. Mr. Obama was so interested in the subject that he helped Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University, develop a leading casebook in the field. His most original course, a historical and political seminar as much as a legal one, was on racism and law."

From that description, the equal protection and due process course sounds like a typical con law profesor?

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by wwwdonohue »

School-Cotton wrote: post #46
caseysoftware wrote: post #43

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> I would argue that the obstructionism during the first two years After the 2008 election and until the 2010 election, it was a Democrat House with a Democrat Senate with a Democrat President. It wasn't filibuster-proof (not like they do them anymore anyway) but the Democrats were in charge.

> It wasn't filibuster-proof That's the exact problem, and it almost entirely invalidates your point.

He had the cap on executive bonuses removed while Chuck Grassley was on the floor of the Senate calling for AIG employees to commit suicide before the American people. Pretty remarkable achievement for a President capable of accomplishing very little else save for a pharmaceutical-industry supported healthcare bill.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by rashkov »

criley2 wrote: post #31
Agustus wrote: post #9

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When he was elected, I was happy, perhaps he could enact the changes that needed to be made to reign in some of the spying, ridiculous defense contracts, and other items. I based this on the "not red or blue country" speech at the DNC convention. That hope passed quickly when he made the "I won" comment to the Republicans instead of just assuaging or listening to their now valid concerns. I would argue that the obstr…

>"if they had not stirred up the hornet's nest of populism from the right through the healthcare act fiasco" To blame the President for this is ridiculous. Our centrist President promoted a conservative think-tank idea battle tested in the laboratory of a large state, and was ridiculed as a marxist and a communist who was on the level of stalin. No hyperbole, these very attacks and words have become so common in cons…

Well written, thanks. There was a time when the ACA was about a single payer healthcare system. Wouldn't that better explain the red scare accusations of socialism?

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by wwweston »

Agustus wrote: post #9
wavefunction wrote: post #5

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Perhaps one should consider if a "constitutional scholar" is the perfect candidate to dismantle the Constitution bit by bit rather than someone who holds true to whatever your definitions of "Constitutional" are. I'll admit I voted for the guy the first time, but I was hoping for some significant differences in what we ended up with. Partially the fault of the obstructionist opposing party as well.

When he was elected, I was happy, perhaps he could enact the changes that needed to be made to reign in some of the spying, ridiculous defense contracts, and other items. I based this on the "not red or blue country" speech at the DNC convention. That hope passed quickly when he made the "I won" comment to the Republicans instead of just assuaging or listening to their now valid concerns. I would argue that the obstr…

> The Democrat congress and President would have been able to hold the majority if they had not stirred up the hornet's nest of populism from the right through the healthcare act fiasco.

Yeah. The Democrats stirred up populism from the Right by enacting a policy solution that closely followed health care policy solutions supported at one time by the Heritage Foundation and the 2012 Republican Presidential Candidate.

That's how we got here.

Plus nakedly uncompromising partisan power grabs like Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by mdturnerphys »

actsasbuffoon wrote: post #37
CWuestefeld wrote: post #23

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This probably is way way off-topic, but.... While on the face you seem to be decrying the polar tribalism that characterizes contemporary politics, you are using that very tribalism to make your argument. But the fact that some folks who label themselves "conservative" have advocated something does not obligate all people, or even any other people, who also label themselves "conservative", to also support it. Or will…

I appreciate the nuance of your argument. It's a good point in general, and I personally don't fit cleanly into any existing party. That said, I think we can reasonably propose that most of the sound and fury over the ACA was political theater. Mitt Romney wasn't decried when he passed a nearly identical law in Massachussetts. In fact, the RNC chose Romney to run against Obama in 2012, so it clearly didn't hurt him m…

This kind of argument seems to ignore the idea of federalism and limits on federal power. Just because something might be a good idea for one state doesn't mean that it's a good idea (or constitutional) at a federal level.

Re: The Obama Administration Has Embraced Legal Theories Broader Than John Yoo's

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Post by awinter-py »

wonderlust wrote: post #52
dnsjjebw wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama is a war criminal who condones torture. In a just country he would be in jail. Endemic corruption will continue in America until those in power suffer consequences. Also, my comment will probably be banned by the pro state mods.

Or by people who recognize trolls and no value comments.

That's no ordinary troll. Those comments were synthesized from either a stats distribution or a human using a script. The usernames are similar (dnsjjebw & dnsjkwns), both first time posters, and there's keyword matches between the posts.

I think someone's running a chatbot experiment.

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