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Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by pvg »

vlan0 wrote: post #84
pvg wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It amounts to the same thing - 'they can do some deeply convoluted, labourious thing for a few thousand nostalgic players' or 'they can focus on meeting the needs and collecting the payments of their millions of existing customers'. It's hard to see how the former makes the slightest bit of sense for them.

I actually question how much interest there would be. Nostalrius reported 150k active players, with over 800k accounts. That is much higher than I would have thought.

Where did they report this? It seems like it had a few thousand players online at a time on a single server.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #51
yarou wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning? The people playing on Nostalrius aren't suddenly going to switch to the latest expansion, so there's literally zero incentive for them to go after it.

It's exactly main reason: Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe. Players can still play on old locations even on official servers, but things like game balance, economics - it's all was made by Blizzard and they have right to change it, for good or bad.

>Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe.

Do they? They have the right to profit off of it and are allowed to set the only profit, but others are allowed to create evolutions of the universe in other directions as long as they don't profit. And if any of those are more popular, Blizzard has no recourse.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by fabulist »

pluma wrote: post #72
fabulist wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems likely to me that they executed this maneuver for similar reasons to the kik/azer fiasco that happened on NPM; if they didn't sue, they would lose their trademarks. I think a better response would've been to purchase Nostalrius (the organization), and offer it as a value-add for their players. But it seems clear Blizzard is extracting whatever value it can from WoW before it dies, rather than truly serving t…

Kik interactive never sued NPM. Kik tried to strongarm azer via indirect threats but NPM gave Kik the package name at their own discretion (arguing that it might confuse people looking for the kik packages). Also, the "trademark means you must sue" myth has been debunked by the EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/trademark-law-does-not...

Thanks, I didn't know that. I certainly didn't mean to provide a defense for Blizzard or Kik, just to try and illustrate/understand their motivations.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by chiph »

glastra wrote: post #71
EugeneOZ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly main reason: Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe. Players can still play on old locations even on official servers, but things like game balance, economics - it's all was made by Blizzard and they have right to change it, for good or bad.

> Players can still play on old locations That is not true, unfortunately.

I think he meant you can still visit Stormwind, Dun Morogh, etc. and aren't limited to Draenor. But of course, the mechanics of everything in the old areas will be that of the new expansion.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by ace22b »

cdbattags wrote: post #56
jmnicolas wrote: post #54

A bit off topic but anybody knows what kind of stack Blizzard is using for WOW ?

I'd love to know/dig into this as well! Any ideas?

I don't have a timestamp but some of the details were discussed in this panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_C7LkB1Q8

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by EugeneOZ »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #122
EugeneOZ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly main reason: Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe. Players can still play on old locations even on official servers, but things like game balance, economics - it's all was made by Blizzard and they have right to change it, for good or bad.

>Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe. Do they? They have the right to profit off of it and are allowed to set the only profit, but others are allowed to create evolutions of the universe in other directions as long as they don't profit. And if any of those are more popular, Blizzard has no recourse.

> but others are allowed to create evolutions of the universe

No, I disagree. It's Blizzard's right to decide, who is allowed to do it. Only Peter Jackson was allowed to create movie about Tolkien's universe - and it was right of the author, without any doubts. It's the same case.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by EugeneOZ »

sheepleherd wrote: post #104
EugeneOZ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly main reason: Blizzard have right to control the history and evolution of the WoW universe. Players can still play on old locations even on official servers, but things like game balance, economics - it's all was made by Blizzard and they have right to change it, for good or bad.

you sound like a libertarian invoking libertarian principles which I don't agree with so I don't see the "obviousness" of it that you see. Even if Blizzard hired Howard Roark himself as their architect, seems to me I should be able to make alterations to the design of my own building in which I wish to park a Howard Roark designed car, no matter how angry it makes Howard, Eugene, and Blizzard. And a court may rule in…

Even if I have different opinion, it doesn't mean I want to offend you, so please don't be so aggressive. I have no relations with Blizzard (I don't even play WoW, it was long time ago). Thank you for letting me know who are libertarians - and yes, looks like I support this idea, but in minarchism form :)

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by cynoclast »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #7
Meekro wrote: post #4

I used to be involved with this sort of thing, and it's actually pretty interesting stuff. There are enormous open source projects, operating largely out of public sight, that have recreated the WoW server backend in most of its glory. The lower-level content works quite well these days, though a lot of complex raid scripts are missing or broken. This one is probably the most popular: https://github.com/TrinityCore/T…

One could argue that the Lich King was the last "good" patch for WoW. What I've never understood though was there is clearly some residual demand for "down rev" versions of the game where the mechanics favored a more engaged play style, why not facilitate it? How much does it really cost to run a single realm at the Vanilla, TBC, and LK levels? So many new players where their first experience with Onxyia was soloing…

I think this is the reason EVE online just gives everyone each expansion free. Everybody's playing the same game, and it's included in your subscription.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by cynoclast »

Falcon9 wrote: post #109
debacle wrote: post #102

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Blizzard releases paid expansions because people will pay for them.

Yeah, it's hard to make the business case for leaving money on the table - with every expansion comes change and change much more than the expansion cost is really what is causing the gating effect.

Treating your customers as customers rather than cash cows engenders positive feelings toward your company, and ensures continued subscription. There's your business case.

Re: Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

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Post by sheepleherd »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #127
sheepleherd wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you sound like a libertarian invoking libertarian principles which I don't agree with so I don't see the "obviousness" of it that you see. Even if Blizzard hired Howard Roark himself as their architect, seems to me I should be able to make alterations to the design of my own building in which I wish to park a Howard Roark designed car, no matter how angry it makes Howard, Eugene, and Blizzard. And a court may rule in…

Even if I have different opinion, it doesn't mean I want to offend you, so please don't be so aggressive. I have no relations with Blizzard (I don't even play WoW, it was long time ago). Thank you for letting me know who are libertarians - and yes, looks like I support this idea, but in minarchism form :)

sorry if I offended you, I was making a point in debate-style, I wasn't attacking you.

I also sense that you are not a native speaker of English: so, just mentioning, what you wrote comes across in English as very "there is only one way, the way I am saying". It sounds like you didn't mean it that way, so sorry it triggered, when I saw that debate blip on my radar screen, I decided to shoot it down :)

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