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The Sugar Conspiracy

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Jack Lalanne (American fitness guru) stated "If man made it, don't eat it". I recall reading that and scratching my head at the sheer number of food products that encompassed. I thought it a rather presumptuous statement. Five years later and after many books and articles on nutrition I now fully agree with him. When I hit the grocery store I skip the middle aisles and head straight for the fish and meat counter or t…

> Grains and milk are relatively recent to our diet (past 10000 years) People have been eating wild wheat for at least 50,000 years and archeologists published a paper in the December, 2009, issue of Science on their discovery in Mozambique of stone tools with wild grain residues dating some 105,000 years ago. Also keep in mind that most of humanity is lactose tolerant now while less than 1% was even 10k years ago an…

Common wheat of today is probably not what people were eating 50k years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_wheat

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"We replaced steak and sausages with pasta and rice, butter with margarine, eggs with muesli. But we still grew fatter" Check mueslis and the sugar most of them contains. It's _horrible_. I try buying a no sugar muesli once in a while - within regular european supermarkets, it's next to impossible!

Really? I find it in the UK (Tesco) quite readily. Tastes extremely bland though (like eating uncooked porridge oats) which might explain its unpopularity.

Curious: how do you eat your muesli?

I eat my unsweetened muesli with yoghurt (like the Swiss do), and find it quite tasty.

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Here is what worked for me to lose fat (weight), but not muscle. It really is simple. - Reduce carbs/sugar intake to around ~100 grams/day, this varies slightly per person. Just reducing bread/grain intake alone is a TON. Grains are turned into glucose, same as sugar, it's effectively the same thing. This also means getting rid of all sweats, processed food. They are just bad for you whether you are overweight or not…

Hasn't it been shown that artificial sweeteners can mess with your blood sugar level and may be just as bad for you as sugar? It seems like it would be best to wean yourself from the craving for sweets. http://www.webmd.com/diet/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blo...

Yeah, there is a lot of different studies about artificial sweeteners, it's a pretty controversial topic...

They probably aren't great for you, but I don't think it's near as bad as consuming 40g of sugar/High fructose corn syrup per soda...

Ideally you stay away from both, but If you are going to drink a soda/sweetened drink, go with the one with 0g sugar and 0g carbs...

Its too easy to intake an stupid amount of carbs and sugar from just liquids...3 sodas in one day and boom...140g of carbs/sugar already...even worse, their "empty carbs", which is to say, it provides you with no nutritional energy/value.

Note: I'm not a dietician/nutritionist. Just someone who has used the above methods and have had great results.

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30 years ago people had to be proactive and smart enough to gain information. Now people have to be proactive and smart enough to distinguish between sound and unfounded (aka bullshit) information. From that point of view not that much changed really.

You mean the "One weird trick to lose belly fat" tips are not bonafide nutrional expertise? :)

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> Grains and milk are relatively recent to our diet (past 10000 years) People have been eating wild wheat for at least 50,000 years and archeologists published a paper in the December, 2009, issue of Science on their discovery in Mozambique of stone tools with wild grain residues dating some 105,000 years ago. Also keep in mind that most of humanity is lactose tolerant now while less than 1% was even 10k years ago an…

Common wheat of today is probably not what people were eating 50k years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_wheat

Definitely true! Ditto for a lot of plants and animals we eat.

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>> It's just common sense advice that humans seldom make a food healthier by tinkering with it While true, this isn't because humans are incapable of improving food. It's because the ways our species has been improving food recently have been driven by capitalism; we've been making it easier to grow and giving it more appealing taste so that it's easier to mass produce and sell. These qualities, especially the taste…

It's not driven by capitalism (any more than any transaction ever has been), it's driven by consumerism. Twinkies would not be manufactured or sold if people didn't like gobbling them up at the available price. Stop blaming corporations (which are just made up of people) and simply blame your fellow citizens for being a bunch of idiots.

It is driven by both capitalism and consumerism.

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> I think a better heuristic, is "Just eat what your great-grandma ate". Snarky "lead paint?" aside, this only really works if you're also as active as great-grandma was. Chances are she got a lot more exercise than we modern folk do.

If you read the article you would have seen this "There has been no commensurate decline in physical activity, in either country – in the UK, exercise levels have increased over the last 20 years." Sure, exercise is important, but a potential lack of it is not the problem. The most significant way you can interact with you body is through the food/drink you put in your mouth. Food has changed so much over the past fe…

"Since 1980" and "the last 20 years" aren't "great-grandma" territory.

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This doesn't always work. Many people, myself included can fail to lose weight on a restricted calorie diet. I spent 12 months eating below 1200 while working out religiously (4-6 days a week with 30sh mins of cardio followed by 45sh mins of weight lifting). In the beginning I lost weight and fast. At 5'9 I went from 240 down to 148 lbs in 7 months. You just described an example showing that a restricted calorie diet…

Not saying it isn't effective, just only that it doesn't work in some cases. It's a fallacy to say it's simply calories in vs out. As I said in my post, I lost weight but then I stopped losing weight and still haven't lost a large amount of weight using that method.

I would think that if you've hit a plateau on weight loss within a health weight range (which from the sounds of it, you are within a healthy weight range) then you won. Maintain that, and don't worry about having a little extra fat.

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>> It's just common sense advice that humans seldom make a food healthier by tinkering with it While true, this isn't because humans are incapable of improving food. It's because the ways our species has been improving food recently have been driven by capitalism; we've been making it easier to grow and giving it more appealing taste so that it's easier to mass produce and sell. These qualities, especially the taste…

It's not driven by capitalism (any more than any transaction ever has been), it's driven by consumerism. Twinkies would not be manufactured or sold if people didn't like gobbling them up at the available price. Stop blaming corporations (which are just made up of people) and simply blame your fellow citizens for being a bunch of idiots.

> Stop blaming corporations (which are just made up of people)

The market is an emergent phenomenon. A market is indeed made up of corporations which is made up of people, but this does not mean that "just made up of people" is an adequate answer.

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Ketogenic diets increase all-cause mortality http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20820038 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22850317 http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(15)0... and make you gain weight http://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds...

not compared to a high carb/sugar based diet as we can plainly see in everyday life. Re: 20820038 - Keto is low carb, moderate protein. it doesn't really matter where you get the protein from. Re: 22850371 - Again, Ketogenic is not HIGH protein diet as eating too much protein is just turned into sugar which defeats the whole purpose of eating keto... so yes, if you eat a lot of fat, and a lot of sugar, you will die s…

how could I calculate what is moderate compared to high protein? I agree with you, but don't know when I am in eating too much protein.
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