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The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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Housing in SF is an incredibly powerful illustration of the danger of letting things get so bad that the usual remedies no longer apply.

Basically:

- Traditionally, the proper fix for a shortage of housing is to build more houses. Just lift the existing regulations, and let the free market do what it does best: take care of the demand at an efficient price.

- However, after years and years of very slow building, the amount of pent up demand is such that even if builders were allowed to construct houses, the houses would almost all be built for the very well off. The amount of houses you'd have to build before you started constructing truly affordable housing is immense.

- People that are in rent regulated apartments have absolutely nothing to gain from more construction. However, even poor people that have no stable housing also have almost nothing to gain from new construction because their only realistic chance of having affordable rent is through subsidies or semi-public housing in the medium term.

- The people that have the most to gain are the moderately well off who can afford SF rents, but cannot find housing at the existing market rate.

Basically - politicians and residents let the situation with housing in SF get so absolutely bad that free-market based solutions would take a crazy amount of time to create affordable housing for poor people. At this point, I'm not sure there even are good solutions, especially if you limit yourself to what is politically feasable.

The lesson to draw from this is that you should never let the situation get so bad that people at the bottom stop caring completely about improving policy. In this case, the right policy (build A LOT more houses) would barely help poor people because the supply/demand curve is so out of wack. The very people that should benefit the most from improving the housing situation are instead opposing it - for fairly rational reasons.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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Oh boy, yet another article claiming that if only private investors were regulated less then "all of our problems would be solved". These will never get old.

>The only way to fix it is through a radical change in our housing policy: a change that encourages (a lot of) building.

No, the only way to fix it is to actually build a lot of housing. If you have trouble imagining what that would look at, take one look at Singapore.

To make this happen requires pitchforks, eminent domain, and political will not economic tweaks to building policy.

>Incorrect claim 2: Investment capital will never build affordable housing

Not incorrect at all. Affordable housing meets the demand for a place to live by the middle class but it doesn't meet the demand of the ultra wealthy for a yield bearing asset.

The "lack of demand" for affordable housing is a facet of massive wealth inequality and the treatment of living places as yield bearing assets.

>The forces behind those aren't singular movements or collectively one movement alone.

ZIRP is pretty much behind most of it. If you want somebody to point a pitchfork at, Ben Bernanke or Janet Yellen are as good a target as any. They are largely responsible for homes being transformed into mostly investment vehicles that provide living space from vice versa.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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I agree with the author for the most part: the ideal solution is to build lots more housing - it's the morally and ethically correct thing to do. But, SF lacks the political will to do this and we need to accept that. the 2nd best solution would be to get tech companies out of SF. I hate this solution as much as the author, but I think it's worth considering. There's no reason why tech companies must be in SF, when t…

In theory, this could alleviate some of the issues you are seeing in SF, but in practice this is not something many tech companies founded here would do. Most new tech companies are being started by people already working in the industry, and the industry is located in Silicon Valley, with epicenter now being in SF. So it just doesn't make sense from a competitive perspective for most companies to move out of the Bay when there's no better place for "tech".

To me, the most logical conclusion is to organize and create the political will to create the housing necessary to alleviate prices. This could be on a regional level - building more housing throughout the east bay and peninsula, or organizing on the city level to re-zone and re-develop parts of the city that can most easily support denser development.

Not everyone will like it but as long as you have more people than the anti-more-housing crowd and are organized to vote, it can be done.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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I agree with the author for the most part: the ideal solution is to build lots more housing - it's the morally and ethically correct thing to do. But, SF lacks the political will to do this and we need to accept that. the 2nd best solution would be to get tech companies out of SF. I hate this solution as much as the author, but I think it's worth considering. There's no reason why tech companies must be in SF, when t…

> the ideal solution is to build lots more housing - it's the morally and ethically correct thing to do.

What do you mean when you say "morally and ethically correct"?

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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One issue he doesn't mention is traffic congestion. A potential remedy could be a significant tax on parking. Perhaps very significant. Parking is ugly and a blight on the city, as well as a tremendous waste of space that could be more effectively used for housing.

Instead of taxing people (negative reinforcement), build better (or at least function) transit with the absurd amount of tax dollars already generated(positive reinforcement).

Taxing parking(which is already done) is something only 2 groups of people will/can support:

1) Those without a car ( can afford to live close to work,take uber, rent cars - high income people)

2) Those who can afford the tax (high income people)

So no, this is most definitely not the solution.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

#36

I agree with the author for the most part: the ideal solution is to build lots more housing - it's the morally and ethically correct thing to do. But, SF lacks the political will to do this and we need to accept that. the 2nd best solution would be to get tech companies out of SF. I hate this solution as much as the author, but I think it's worth considering. There's no reason why tech companies must be in SF, when t…

(I'm the author)

Even putting aside the ethical and moral arguments, which carry a lot of weight for me: (1) There are network effects in urban environments. (2) Globally, specific industries often concentrate in specific cities. A lot of tech has concentrated in the Valley up to the San Francisco. The effects are getting stronger as that migration occurs. That's a great thing: it allows for people to move between companies easily, allows ideas to be shared, etc, etc.[1] That effects is and will continue to be hard to replicate elsewhere. (3) Destroying that seems like a gigantic waste. (4) We are destroying it through our current public policies -- housing and other. (5) I believe there are political solutions, just not ones that have been well-organized.

[1] Urbanism has a lot of other benefits too, if done right: like less traffic, and a lower per capita carbon footprint.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

#37

Oh boy, yet another article claiming that if only private investors were regulated less then "all of our problems would be solved". These will never get old. >The only way to fix it is through a radical change in our housing policy: a change that encourages (a lot of) building. No, the only way to fix it is to actually build a lot of housing. If you have trouble imagining what that would look at, take one look at Sin…

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Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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post #28

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_%281... Good thoughts. You failed to mention Prop 13 which was put into place a long time ago and simply doesn't make sense anymore. It's at least part of the reason it is so affordable (in relative terms) for rich people to keep second homes here when they bought them years ago. We live in a building of 60 units where probably at least a third of those are abse…

> are only adjusted upon sale of the property

While often repeated, that is incorrect. In reality property tax goes up 2% every year under prop 13.

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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The folly with arguments blaming San Francisco for the problem is the fact that the entire Bay area is priced at an insane level. Take another look at this [1] BART map with corresponding home prices for each stop. Yeah, it's cheaper to live outside of the city, but it's still crazy expensive. The median sale price for a house in Pittsburg is $430,000, with a 62 min commute into SF. If you live 62 minutes outside of…

BART now designates high-cost areas. You can see it in the tri-valley, the new Whole Foods in Dublin is a good indicator. Now they want to build an IKEA next to it.

Poorer, non-tech people are getting pushed out to Tracy and made-from-scratch exurbs like Mountain House.

SF is just the center, Oakland/Berkley is getting hit hard now. The Uber acquisition of that large office complex in Oak has set off a bonanza. The hipster brigade is already popping up in weird places in Oakland. Really not sure where all the poor people will go.

There is one, weird, and very not pc observation though: old home owners get pushed out, but in the East Bay you see a lot of Indian newcomers moving in - and not highly paid executives, but Indian fresh out of rural areas in India, men in sandals (no socks, ever) and women in full garb. Where is that money coming from?

Re: The Housing Market in San Francisco and Ideas to Fix It

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post #28

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_%281... Good thoughts. You failed to mention Prop 13 which was put into place a long time ago and simply doesn't make sense anymore. It's at least part of the reason it is so affordable (in relative terms) for rich people to keep second homes here when they bought them years ago. We live in a building of 60 units where probably at least a third of those are abse…

(I'm the author)

Prop 13 is a problem, no doubt. It would deserve a very long essay -- some of them exist as sub-essays within Kim-Mai Cutler's writings. I tried to focus on policy ideas that, more-or-less, San Francisco could implement themselves.

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