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Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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The mandatory updates, lack of permissions and sandboxing are only a good thing for a user with typical computer literacy level. Only if you want to keep them illiterate, which companies are more than happy to do since it means they can be more easily persuaded and dependent consumers.

People have had 25 years (Wild guess) to become literate, and they haven't. What makes you think that's going to change?

It probably isn't if the attitudes in present IT world continue. But it doesn't have to be this way - about the only thing needed to fix this situation is to create an expectation that yes, you have to sit down and spend 5 minutes learning before you can use this stuff effectively.

Somehow nobody complains that cars, or microwave ovens are too complicated. Everybody knows they have to learn how to use them - either through a training course or just by reading a manual.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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I am still on Windows 8.1, so if anyone that tries it can confirm if this works well with ConEmu and if Vim works well? Also, what the performance is like compared to running stuff on full stack linux. Also, does one have access to full hardware, like GPUs? That would be a good start. On Windows, my tool of choice was/is Babun... but damn 32-bit cygwin and it tends to get real slow (git especially so).

It works fairly nice with ConEmu and other terminals. The performance is also quite good: I installed clang and built a big-ish C++ project and it compiled faster than using MSVC on Windows directly (10 vs 12 mins, roughly).

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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I'm considering the masses. But many in higher-education are on Windows (my experience here in the Netherlands). I can imagine that, for instance, they will use Winux at some point. Same for some IT professionals that use Windows (either since their job demands it, or out of preference). They might install Winux at some point to get some aspect of their work done faster. Again a lower barrier to get your CLI skills u…

And why would they switch to full linux when they can get their cli tools AND Windows productivity?

Security, parity with the server platform, rough edges of Winux, "cool", wanting to learn something... Just to name a few.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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I have to say after the initial excitement, I'm a bit disappointed about how this is implemented. Apparently, there is no or little interaction between the Linux world and the Windows world in this system. I don't see the benefits over running a classical Linux-as-a-process like coLinux, or something like Cygwin or MinGW. The option to run unmodified executables is nice if you have closed-source linux binaries, but t…

Given that you've touched on two of the "No; but the old POSIX subsystem did." points ...

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11416392

... would you, too, agree with a call for its resurrection?

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11391841

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11391798

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

#266
Which bash version is it? Is MSFT actually shipping GPLv3 without killing their entire company? Could it be that GPLv3 isn't a death blow to business? Whatever happened to cancer?

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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A bit offtopic, but 2009 was the year of the Linux Desktop for me (using Ubuntu). Performant on older hardware, eye candy (compiz) on newer hardware, the Gnome 2 interface was familiar and incredibly polished, and you had a lot of choice (linuxshouldbeaboutchoice.com). They lost me with all the rewriteritis and monodaemonisation that followed. I switched to MacOS (hackintosh) and was very happy for a while, since it…

>I've found Windows to be the OS that "just works" and gets out of my way I've had the opposite experience. Windows does not "just work" and it certainly does not "stay out of the way". I have USB headphones I can't use in Windows because they connect but Windows doesn't let me switch to them. When I plug in an external monitor my OS comes to a crawl and it doesn't speed back up until I restart the whole thing. When…

> I have USB headphones I can't use in Windows because they connect but Windows doesn't let me switch to them.

For most people, this would be a problem with the USB headphones, not with Windows. On the other hand, if the USB headphones work well in Windows but not in Ubuntu, then it's a problem with Ubuntu, not the USB headphones.

This is why it's impossible to have a rational debate about the state of the "Linux desktop".

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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> motivated by corporations' desire to maintain control over their users. I think that's only one factor, and not a majority one. Most users don't want to have to deal with "how it works". They want a simple, easy to use tool that works reliably... And they want to call someone to "fix it" when it "breaks". That's how it works with plumbing, cars, landline phones, stereo components, televisions, and all the electroni…

The problem with push button service is that you need people interacting at the backend to make the magic happen. Those people cost money. If you try to provide apple-level simplicity at google-level prices you won't be able to afford those people. Google itself is a fine example. It works well, until it doesn't, and then you're stuck. Providing a power user interface on a consumer level product is imho a necessity i…

And this is why people will pay Apple prices for Apple gear. If you provide a "power user interface" it's a sure sign you're trying to save $$$ by skimping on support and you don't care about the user. This goes even for professional tools; cf. Autodesk Inventor vs. AutoCAD; Visual Studio vs. editor and command line tools.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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What do you mean you "cannot" code on tablets and smartphones? There are nice interpreters and compilers in the official app stores for major mobiles OS, aren't there? I've used Python on iOS, Android and Windows Phone. Also J, Ocaml, some dialects of Lisp, C# and Ruby, that I can remember now (each language on at least one of those OSes, sometimes more than one). Not to mention these devices all come with web browse…

You can code on a tablet, same way as you can stand in line at the bank. Neither is very efficient, and most of us would rather not.

Apparently, you can't really do anything on a tablet or phone. Or at least I can't. My phone app chose this particular comment as a nice time to play up and do a double posting. Hence the copy further down, which I am not allowed to delete.
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