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Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by morsch »

eulji wrote: post #139
creshal wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many (including me) feel that this is just the start of a new EEE cycle by a panicked Microsoft, and will be killed off by Microsoft once they managed to reverse their current downward trend – just like other supposedly community-/interoperability friendly projects before, e.g. this project's direct predecessor SFU.

And the problem with that is what ? You are afraid that you might like it. You migrate and they will kill the project ? If yes then...well...same can happen to any kind of software / project

No, that's not what embrace-extend-extinguish is about. The worry about EEE is that they establish dominance through vertical integration, introduce incompatibilities through both incompetence (bugs) and malicious behaviour (features), which will weaken and destroy the free standard implementations.

I'm not worried though. This is a neat hack, and may be useful for some people who for whatever personal reason won't switch to Linux proper, but it will not gain anything like the dominance required to push through incompatibilities. Unix applications already deal with a heterogenous environment, to say the least, and Winux will just be one more participant; not a particularly important one at that.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by zxcvcxz »

captainmuon wrote: post #158
bigiain wrote: post #16

So 2016 is _finally_ the year of Linux on the Desktop?

A bit offtopic, but 2009 was the year of the Linux Desktop for me (using Ubuntu). Performant on older hardware, eye candy (compiz) on newer hardware, the Gnome 2 interface was familiar and incredibly polished, and you had a lot of choice (linuxshouldbeaboutchoice.com). They lost me with all the rewriteritis and monodaemonisation that followed. I switched to MacOS (hackintosh) and was very happy for a while, since it…

>I've found Windows to be the OS that "just works" and gets out of my way

I've had the opposite experience. Windows does not "just work" and it certainly does not "stay out of the way".

I have USB headphones I can't use in Windows because they connect but Windows doesn't let me switch to them. When I plug in an external monitor my OS comes to a crawl and it doesn't speed back up until I restart the whole thing. When I unplug a monitor it loses my windows.

And did you hear the story about the guy who lost his job because Windows decided to update the .NET framework right before he was scheduled to do a presentation at a business meeting? Doesn't sound like Windows stays out of the way to me.

I wish Windows "just worked" but it doesn't. It breaks all the time unless you're a power user. Giving my parents Linux was the best thing I ever did for them because it turned their laptops from a source of constant frustration to an always-on communication machine. We went from hundreds of ads and dozens of toolbars on windows to a Linux machine that just works.

Now I'm just trying to get my dad to switch to Linux for work so he doesn't have to install his printer drivers again every time he wants to print something. All he uses for work is Chrome any way.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by SXX »

NeutronBoy wrote: post #209
SXX wrote: post #190

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If you run on desktop hardware you can use VM with VFIO GPU passthrough. It's much less pain in ass than reboot or work on frankenstein OS.

> It's much less pain in ass than reboot or work on frankenstein OS. No, it's an incredible pain in the ass to get this working properly, when I could spend 20 seconds rebooting

Can't agree with you. Adding one option into grub config for Xeon CPUs and one optional (you don't need ACS patch if one PCI / PCIe port used) kernel patch for Intel consumer CPUs is clearly not "pain in ass".

It's might be hard to setup few years ago, but now it's super easy. With AMD hardware everything just work out-of-box.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by koolba »

Can anyone who's tried this out comment on the terminal?

Does it have all the same issues as gitbash/cygwin/mingw/winpty (garbling, bad resizing, etc) or is there finally a decent local terminal on Windows?

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by zxcvcxz »

chx wrote: post #37
bigiain wrote: post #16

So 2016 is _finally_ the year of Linux on the Desktop?

No, Linux on the Desktop has just died. I expect both the KDE and Gnome projects dead within a (very few) years, probably X.org close behind. All hail Winux though. (That's the name for this mix I came up with.) Before you downvote this without thinking ... consider, for example, KDE is severely understaffed and this will deplete them further. Who will bother with X.org bugs and drivers now? What's the point? Who is…

>Winux

I've deemed it "Frankenstein OS" because they've sewn a whole bunch of parts together to make an unwieldy monster that doesn't quite work as good as the individual pieces did on their own.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by zxcvcxz »

sspiff wrote: post #36
baq wrote: post #27

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yay! \o/ can you check what happens after you wake from sleep/hibernation? are those apps still fully functioning?

I did not try GUI stuff, but when my tablet went to sleep while executing a long-running command, when I returned to the bash shell, the command failed with a message stating "interrupted syscall" or the like. Not sure if this is the common/intended behaviour.

This frankenstein contraptions isn't going to work correctly until they add so much bloat it's not even worth it.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by maccard »

userbinator wrote: post #205
golergka wrote: post #198

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Have you met an average user? The mandatory updates, lack of permissions and sandboxing are only a good thing for a user with typical computer literacy level. Hell, even lack of window management in iOS/Android systems is making UX much more easier to understand for majority of users I know. My granddad, who was an excellent mechanical engineer, have been using computers for the last 20 years, and he still struggles…

The mandatory updates, lack of permissions and sandboxing are only a good thing for a user with typical computer literacy level. Only if you want to keep them illiterate, which companies are more than happy to do since it means they can be more easily persuaded and dependent consumers.

People have had 25 years (Wild guess) to become literate, and they haven't. What makes you think that's going to change?
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