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Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by soft_dev_person »

nailer wrote: post #178
quanticle wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could easily build an AST with gestures and speech rather than tapping buttons, and I think in 10-20 years time that's how we'll make software. I doubt it. Perhaps we'll be making ASTs by writing (i.e. drawing symbols with styli or pens), but I don't think we'll be doing it via gestures and speech. There's a reason that we don't teach math via interpretive dance.

There's also a reason people in the same room don't communicate by tapping buttons with letters on them.

They don't?

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by tluyben2 »

nailer wrote: post #178
quanticle wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could easily build an AST with gestures and speech rather than tapping buttons, and I think in 10-20 years time that's how we'll make software. I doubt it. Perhaps we'll be making ASTs by writing (i.e. drawing symbols with styli or pens), but I don't think we'll be doing it via gestures and speech. There's a reason that we don't teach math via interpretive dance.

There's also a reason people in the same room don't communicate by tapping buttons with letters on them.

We do that a lot; for technical stuff it is often many times more efficient than talking.

Edit: And easier to search, remember, read again and the less nice variant of that; 'you never said that to me' 'I did: ' copy/paste.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by miguelrochefort »

siscia wrote: post #49

I am a little scared from the distinction we are start to make between "computers" and "developers' computers" In most computer nowadays you cannot code (tables and smartphones), are computers doomed to be an expensive tool for few "nerd" ? What will be the impact on computer literacy ?

All of this will disappear within the next 5 years, as the distinction between programming and consumption narrows down.

It seems like a vast majority of software developers, consciously or not, do not wish for software development to improve beyond a certain point as they fear it would become too accessible and therefore lower the value of their skills. The truth is that we actively make programming as difficult as possible, and everybody loses. I can understand that writing code as text would make sense 50 years ago, but there is no excuse for this today.

Consumer UI is now reaching the 3rd dimension with AR and VR, while software development is stuck in the 1st dimension. A long linear piece of string. It is difficult to believe that those who have the power to create great consumer UX are completely blind to improving their own. Software development has some of the worst UX ever.

The solution to all of those issues has been known for a while, and is dead simple to understand. We need to create a new communication platform, powered by ideas from logic programming and the semantic web. Think of it as 2 huge semantic knowledge graphs, the first describing the real state of the world, the second describing the ideal state of the world. Build a UI on top of it (which should feel more like a graph-oriented Excel than RDF/Prolog) to let people, agents and IoT devices communicate "what is" and "what should be". Then, all it takes is an inference algorithm that can match providers with seekers, get them to commit to some set of world changes (through some sort of contract), and let people manage and track the commitments/tasks they're expected to get done. That's it, that replaces 80% of software needs. Thank you very much.

Knowledge Graph -> Semantic Marketplace -> Smart Contracts -> Task Management

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by drewstiff »

nikbackm wrote: post #148
philjohn wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fair bit. You need to become a windows insider, if you aren't one already, opt in to insider builds (which can take a couple of days) and then install the insider preview. Not worth it if you're just wanting to try it out, but if you want to test it and feed back, then knock yourself out!

Yes, easier to just wait some time until the "Windows 10 Anniversary Update" goes public for everyone. Will surely be installed automatically like the November Update.

I have it on good authority that W10 Anniversary Update will go live for the general public before the end of July if all goes to plan.

I think you will still then have to enable dev mode and install it as a feature as per the OP link.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by pmontra »

nailer wrote: post #178
quanticle wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could easily build an AST with gestures and speech rather than tapping buttons, and I think in 10-20 years time that's how we'll make software. I doubt it. Perhaps we'll be making ASTs by writing (i.e. drawing symbols with styli or pens), but I don't think we'll be doing it via gestures and speech. There's a reason that we don't teach math via interpretive dance.

There's also a reason people in the same room don't communicate by tapping buttons with letters on them.

Go ask teens with a smartphone at a restaurant but I've been doing the same myself sometimes. 1-1 or group chats.

A more specialized scenario: I was copy/pasting stuff to a colleague in the same room yesterday.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by minikites »

siscia wrote: post #49

I am a little scared from the distinction we are start to make between "computers" and "developers' computers" In most computer nowadays you cannot code (tables and smartphones), are computers doomed to be an expensive tool for few "nerd" ? What will be the impact on computer literacy ?

I always find that comments like this are doom and gloom and never celebratory that we might reach a point where computers are finally stable and secure enough to be treated like appliances. The first automobiles required dozens of steps just to start the engine, did people back then lament the difference between "cars" and "mechanics' cars"?

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by pritambaral »

sveme wrote: post #163
jayflux wrote: post #119

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Is it that smart? Being developer friendly sounds like just plain common-sense, not some genius breakthrough. The question should be more why has it taken them so long to get to this point.

Maybe. It is definitely the common-sense thing to do today, five years ago, it would have been smart. From a pre-Nadella perspective, you could have called it revolutionary, but now we're used to Microsoft participating in OSS, so it's much less so.

Wasn't Ballmer's "developers, developers, developers" chant more than five years ago?

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by golergka »

siscia wrote: post #49

I am a little scared from the distinction we are start to make between "computers" and "developers' computers" In most computer nowadays you cannot code (tables and smartphones), are computers doomed to be an expensive tool for few "nerd" ? What will be the impact on computer literacy ?

Have you met an average user? The mandatory updates, lack of permissions and sandboxing are only a good thing for a user with typical computer literacy level.

Hell, even lack of window management in iOS/Android systems is making UX much more easier to understand for majority of users I know. My granddad, who was an excellent mechanical engineer, have been using computers for the last 20 years, and he still struggles with click/double-click distinction.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by piyush_soni »

phaer wrote: post #137
piyush_soni wrote: post #91

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>> I for one am getting very tired of this year of the Linux desktop joke You != masses. There might not be a clear single winner, but there is a clear single loser. Statistically speaking.

Only if you understand desktop market share of an operating system as a battle. Myself and a lot of other people are using GNU/Linux and other libre operating systems with great pleasure and, finally, growing hardware support. I could not care less if 90% of desktops are Windows systems or if an additional 9% are OS X machines or whatever. tl;dr: Just use what works for you. If it supports your ethical values, itäs e…

Sure, if all users believe in "use what works for you", they shouldn't get pissed off when others make jokes on that. *nix users are not going to like it, but in real world comparisons are bound to happen for things of same categories and you can't prevent that. Better to move on, and that was the reason I wrote my comment.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by SXX »

Sorry for off-topic, but have a legal question regarding Windows Insider. Is it legal to install Insider build without activation and keep it running if it stay in fast updates ring?

Currently updates postpone temporary license expiration, but I can't find an answer how licensing work actually. I only run Windows in VM and I don't want to mess my 8.1 system with genuine license.

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