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Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by pjc50 »

captainmuon wrote: post #87

I have to say after the initial excitement, I'm a bit disappointed about how this is implemented. Apparently, there is no or little interaction between the Linux world and the Windows world in this system. I don't see the benefits over running a classical Linux-as-a-process like coLinux, or something like Cygwin or MinGW. The option to run unmodified executables is nice if you have closed-source linux binaries, but t…

Mapping the processes across implies all sorts of strange things - what happens if you try to send a Linux signal to a Windows process?

Mapping the users is possible and "SFU" did this, with a couple of caveats (Windows requires group and user names to be different, while UNIX systems often have groups with the same name as users).

I don't think this is a Linux or GNOME killer, but it might put a dent in Cygwin and git-bash.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by andkenneth »

captainmuon wrote: post #87

I have to say after the initial excitement, I'm a bit disappointed about how this is implemented. Apparently, there is no or little interaction between the Linux world and the Windows world in this system. I don't see the benefits over running a classical Linux-as-a-process like coLinux, or something like Cygwin or MinGW. The option to run unmodified executables is nice if you have closed-source linux binaries, but t…

I would bet that it will only get better over time and include a fair amount of the things you are talking about in a few years time. It's obviously a big push to pick up the current "I use a mac for development cause it's unix" crowd, I'm sure they're taking it seriously and would want the support for developing in a unix style A+.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by pjc50 »

jayflux wrote: post #119
sveme wrote: post #80

Smart move by Windows. I guess that developer usage of an OS ultimately results in developer developments for the OS, though I don't have any number for this. It seems to me that a lot of developers, especially at startups, have switched to OS X with its shiny GUI and UNIX compatibility. I'd hazard the guess that this will ultimately result in OS X becoming more of a developer target over time. Initially for develope…

Is it that smart? Being developer friendly sounds like just plain common-sense, not some genius breakthrough. The question should be more why has it taken them so long to get to this point.

They always tried to be Microsoft developer friendly, and I think sort of assumed that UNIX was going to go away when they won. But it's now clear that UNIX has won for web services, and the web has beaten old-style client-server. And the Windows remote admin/cloud admin/mass deployment features appear to have lost as well.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

#144

Post by philjohn »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #138

How much work is it to try this, starting from a normal Windows 10 install?

A fair bit. You need to become a windows insider, if you aren't one already, opt in to insider builds (which can take a couple of days) and then install the insider preview.

Not worth it if you're just wanting to try it out, but if you want to test it and feed back, then knock yourself out!

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

#145

Post by andkenneth »

creshal wrote: post #95
eulji wrote: post #47

I do not get the hate. This is superb

Many (including me) feel that this is just the start of a new EEE cycle by a panicked Microsoft, and will be killed off by Microsoft once they managed to reverse their current downward trend – just like other supposedly community-/interoperability friendly projects before, e.g. this project's direct predecessor SFU.

I feel like this seems like a way more developed strategy for keeping developers engaged... dotnet going open source and multiplatform is a pretty big gesture for just a downward trend thing.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by gizmo385 »

NeutronBoy wrote: post #83
paradite wrote: post #72

I honestly don't really see the point in this. If you like Ubuntu/Linux more, then just install Ubuntu/Linux on the computer without Windows. Why go through the additional layer of Windows? Perhaps the use case is limited to people who need to run Windows/Mac-only software like AutoCAD or some Adobe software.

> Perhaps the use case is limited to people who need to run Windows/Mac-only software like AutoCAD or some Adobe software. Or many, many games.

That's where I'm sitting. Sometimes I want to jump between gaming and working on personal development projects. Even with an SSD, rebooting anytime I want to do that is just a pain.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by nikbackm »

philjohn wrote: post #144
TorKlingberg wrote: post #138

How much work is it to try this, starting from a normal Windows 10 install?

A fair bit. You need to become a windows insider, if you aren't one already, opt in to insider builds (which can take a couple of days) and then install the insider preview. Not worth it if you're just wanting to try it out, but if you want to test it and feed back, then knock yourself out!

Yes, easier to just wait some time until the "Windows 10 Anniversary Update" goes public for everyone.

Will surely be installed automatically like the November Update.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by cies »

gizmo385 wrote: post #140
cies wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux on the Desktop has just died. It becomes even more approachable by "Winux". Let people learn the basic of the CLI and get comfy with more open source tools -- then reinstall your computer to a Linux distro (and put your Win-only apps in a VM or on Wine) is a small move.

I highly doubt that "Winux" will really result in a large increase of people learning CLI tools. People that want to use those tools already have way that they're doing so. Consider that most people have difficulty using a basic word processor, much less Unix tools.

I'm considering the masses. But many in higher-education are on Windows (my experience here in the Netherlands). I can imagine that, for instance, they will use Winux at some point.

Same for some IT professionals that use Windows (either since their job demands it, or out of preference). They might install Winux at some point to get some aspect of their work done faster. Again a lower barrier to get your CLI skills up and get comfy with common open source tools.

I believe there is a lot of value in "CLI skills and common open source tools" that Windows users are currently missing out on.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by fsloth »

chx wrote: post #37
bigiain wrote: post #16

So 2016 is _finally_ the year of Linux on the Desktop?

No, Linux on the Desktop has just died. I expect both the KDE and Gnome projects dead within a (very few) years, probably X.org close behind. All hail Winux though. (That's the name for this mix I came up with.) Before you downvote this without thinking ... consider, for example, KDE is severely understaffed and this will deplete them further. Who will bother with X.org bugs and drivers now? What's the point? Who is…

As I understand it, vendors will probably have paying clients for Linux desktops for some time to come. It is very hard to imagine a situation where the demand for a Linux desktop become so low that no-one will maintain the required software infrastructure.
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