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Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by interfixus »

omaranto wrote: post #62
siscia wrote: post #49

I am a little scared from the distinction we are start to make between "computers" and "developers' computers" In most computer nowadays you cannot code (tables and smartphones), are computers doomed to be an expensive tool for few "nerd" ? What will be the impact on computer literacy ?

What do you mean you "cannot" code on tablets and smartphones? There are nice interpreters and compilers in the official app stores for major mobiles OS, aren't there? I've used Python on iOS, Android and Windows Phone. Also J, Ocaml, some dialects of Lisp, C# and Ruby, that I can remember now (each language on at least one of those OSes, sometimes more than one). Not to mention these devices all come with web browse…

You can code on a tablet, same way as you can stand in line at the bank. Neither is very efficient, and most of us would rather not.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by jshevek »

lossolo wrote: post #66
omaranto wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean you "cannot" code on tablets and smartphones? There are nice interpreters and compilers in the official app stores for major mobiles OS, aren't there? I've used Python on iOS, Android and Windows Phone. Also J, Ocaml, some dialects of Lisp, C# and Ruby, that I can remember now (each language on at least one of those OSes, sometimes more than one). Not to mention these devices all come with web browse…

I tried to code on smartphone, never again. I am x times more productive on desktop.

Edit: Just realized you might have meant _on_ the phone as in 'using the on screen keyboard'. Ug. That would be truly awful.

During one weekend in which my only options were android devices, I was pleasantly surprised by the packages available in termux. With tmux, git, and ssh installed, I mounted the tablet at the right height and connected a quality keyboard via usb. I actually forgot that I was coding on a tablet!

The phone experience was far more sensitive to maintaining good posture throughout, but being strongly incentivized to keep good posture actually made the experience more pleasant in a way. However, this particular phone was around 1280x720 I believe - seeing individual pixels again, and being pixel-limited (not physical size limited) in the use of panes in tmux were the only facets I found truly unpleasant.

I'm eager to try coding with a high res VR headset.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by interfixus »

omaranto wrote: post #62
siscia wrote: post #49

I am a little scared from the distinction we are start to make between "computers" and "developers' computers" In most computer nowadays you cannot code (tables and smartphones), are computers doomed to be an expensive tool for few "nerd" ? What will be the impact on computer literacy ?

What do you mean you "cannot" code on tablets and smartphones? There are nice interpreters and compilers in the official app stores for major mobiles OS, aren't there? I've used Python on iOS, Android and Windows Phone. Also J, Ocaml, some dialects of Lisp, C# and Ruby, that I can remember now (each language on at least one of those OSes, sometimes more than one). Not to mention these devices all come with web browse…

You can code on a tablet, same way as you can stand in line at the bank. Neither is very efficient, and most of us would rather not.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by cyphar »

tdicola wrote: post #29
annnnd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I use Docker?

Linux docker? I doubt it--there's a lot of low level kernel stuff docker needs like creating a chroot. That said MS has been working on a docker version for Windows. I dunno if they ever released many details on what exactly it is though, it's been a while since I've much from them on it.

Docker does lots of other complicated things (creating namespaces, setting up cgroups, setting up network interfaces and firewall rules). But the Docker windows container stuff is all in the main Docker repo. It requires proprietary software to use so I'm not really interested.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by andkenneth »

kenny_r wrote: post #39
bigiain wrote: post #16

So 2016 is _finally_ the year of Linux on the Desktop?

This brings many of the parts that make up Ubuntu to Windows, but the Linux kernel isn't one of them. That being said, I'm typing this comment my workstation running Linux and I for one am getting very tired of this year of the Linux desktop joke. What OS you run is an individual choice, stop trying to declare a single winner.

Linux users were going around for a while saying "this is the year of linux on the desktop", and yeah it kind of turned into a bit of a meme.

Realistically linux did hit it big, but on a phone OS. It's now one of the most installed kernels in the world, but its brand is hidden. Linux is also incredibly important in the server space, and everyone knows this.

Linux will never have its year on the desktop in my opinion, but it will still be all over the place in the server/phone space. It just won out in other areas than the desktop.

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by phaer »

piyush_soni wrote: post #91
kenny_r wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This brings many of the parts that make up Ubuntu to Windows, but the Linux kernel isn't one of them. That being said, I'm typing this comment my workstation running Linux and I for one am getting very tired of this year of the Linux desktop joke. What OS you run is an individual choice, stop trying to declare a single winner.

>> I for one am getting very tired of this year of the Linux desktop joke You != masses. There might not be a clear single winner, but there is a clear single loser. Statistically speaking.

Only if you understand desktop market share of an operating system as a battle.

Myself and a lot of other people are using GNU/Linux and other libre operating systems with great pleasure and, finally, growing hardware support. I could not care less if 90% of desktops are Windows systems or if an additional 9% are OS X machines or whatever.

tl;dr: Just use what works for you. If it supports your ethical values, itäs even better!

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by eulji »

creshal wrote: post #95
eulji wrote: post #47

I do not get the hate. This is superb

Many (including me) feel that this is just the start of a new EEE cycle by a panicked Microsoft, and will be killed off by Microsoft once they managed to reverse their current downward trend – just like other supposedly community-/interoperability friendly projects before, e.g. this project's direct predecessor SFU.

And the problem with that is what ? You are afraid that you might like it. You migrate and they will kill the project ?

If yes then...well...same can happen to any kind of software / project

Re: Bash on Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by gizmo385 »

cies wrote: post #123
chx wrote: post #37

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No, Linux on the Desktop has just died. I expect both the KDE and Gnome projects dead within a (very few) years, probably X.org close behind. All hail Winux though. (That's the name for this mix I came up with.) Before you downvote this without thinking ... consider, for example, KDE is severely understaffed and this will deplete them further. Who will bother with X.org bugs and drivers now? What's the point? Who is…

> Linux on the Desktop has just died. It becomes even more approachable by "Winux". Let people learn the basic of the CLI and get comfy with more open source tools -- then reinstall your computer to a Linux distro (and put your Win-only apps in a VM or on Wine) is a small move.

I highly doubt that "Winux" will really result in a large increase of people learning CLI tools. People that want to use those tools already have way that they're doing so. Consider that most people have difficulty using a basic word processor, much less Unix tools.
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