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Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Pinboard is great for what it does, and it obviously has a fan base, but in a world where Evernote and Pocket exist and are massive, there is not a lot of room for a service like Pinboard to become huge. If I were an investor I'd be wondering "how does this become a massive internet consumer service" and I just don't see the answer to that question.

Wait until Evernote and Pocket flame out and pick up the leavings? (It worked with Delicious...)

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#42
post #30

This is a funny thread, but if any of you are amused and hopeful about the idea of Pinboard becoming a YC company, and you don't already have a Pinboard account, go get one! I was a bookmarking skeptic before I signed up for Pinboard. In fact, I think I got my Pinboard account as repayment for a favor Erin and I did for Maciej. But now, I have no idea what I would do without it. Pinboard has more or less become a sea…

> Part of what makes Pinboard great is knowing it isn't going to break

If you're not following him on Twitter, you really should be.

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

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post #41
post #12

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Pinboard is great for what it does, and it obviously has a fan base, but in a world where Evernote and Pocket exist and are massive, there is not a lot of room for a service like Pinboard to become huge. If I were an investor I'd be wondering "how does this become a massive internet consumer service" and I just don't see the answer to that question.

Wait until Evernote and Pocket flame out and pick up the leavings? (It worked with Delicious...)

Evernote is doing a pretty good job of it right now.

It's not a glamorous business model, but with so many online services aiming for the stars, one can make a decent living gathering up the wreckage.

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#44

"Do Things That Don't Scale" http://paulgraham.com/ds.html Since a hosted bookmarking service obviously scales well, that can't be the heart of the Pinboard value prop. What does Pinboard do that no one does, that seems totally nonscalable? How about @Pinboard? He's just one man, hand-crafting tweets about the SF tech industry in his spare time... it can't possible scale to every city and industry, can it? (Can it?)…

Eliezer Yudkowsky made me swear on the Necronomicon never to feed the Pinboard tweet corpus into any self-modifying learning algorithm.

But that won't stop the rest of us

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#45

"Do Things That Don't Scale" http://paulgraham.com/ds.html Since a hosted bookmarking service obviously scales well, that can't be the heart of the Pinboard value prop. What does Pinboard do that no one does, that seems totally nonscalable? How about @Pinboard? He's just one man, hand-crafting tweets about the SF tech industry in his spare time... it can't possible scale to every city and industry, can it? (Can it?)…

    $5 million for the cafeteria
Sounds right. It costs a lot to import enough Argentinian beef to feed your engineers two steaks a day.

http://www.idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_d...

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are very hard to understand. You have many times criticized HN and YC for many different things (the most memorable examples being objecting to how HN uses the word "startup", and to PG hellbanning you), and yet here you are, cleverly using "Apply HN" to raise awareness about Pinboard in the community you dislike while having no intention of being part of YC.

I am hoping to attract a certain protest vote of the silent majority who enjoy this community, but are uneasy about the values of its founders and more broadly, Silicon Valley. As far as HN proper, I don't dislike this community at all, particularly since dang took the reins. It's an interesting place and I've tried to contribute in good faith for many years now, besides just making fun of it.

I get so much use out of pinboard (and laughing at your tweet snark) that I would gladly pay $5/month instead of the one-time fee of whatever I paid when I signed up.

It Just Works, and that's all it does, and that's all I need it to do.

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#48
post #2

How will you handle people that say "you mean pinterest?" (btw, love pinboard!)

Short term: raising awareness, clever ad campaign Long term: acquired by Pinterest

> Long term: acquired by Pinterest

I will find you.

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am hoping to attract a certain protest vote of the silent majority who enjoy this community, but are uneasy about the values of its founders and more broadly, Silicon Valley. As far as HN proper, I don't dislike this community at all, particularly since dang took the reins. It's an interesting place and I've tried to contribute in good faith for many years now, besides just making fun of it.

Let's say you attain this goal and the protest votes are in, signalling to YC that a (no longer) silent majority feel this way. Now they get the message that the community is "uneasy about the values of its founders and more broadly, Silicon Valley". What's next? I imagine reading posts by the community here does not play a huge role in day-to-day operations at the company, they still have day jobs and financial pres…

Every court needs its clown and I've been grateful to Maciej for being that clown for years. He's been the only one -- the only one -- that has consistently managed to make me feel less crazy and make Silicon Valley look a little bit more crazy.

The startup scene hasn't been content with "paying the bills". They've been chasing demand even when that demand doesn't bring actual money along with it. It's completely nuts, and maybe it should change a little.

I mean, you sort of imply that the pro-privacy business model doesn't work, but Pinboard is more profitable than Twitter. Does that mean profitability is no longer the measure of whether a business model "works"?

Re: Apply HN: Pinboard – Make Y Combinator Great Again

#50
post #12

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Pinboard is great for what it does, and it obviously has a fan base, but in a world where Evernote and Pocket exist and are massive, there is not a lot of room for a service like Pinboard to become huge. If I were an investor I'd be wondering "how does this become a massive internet consumer service" and I just don't see the answer to that question.

I back up everything I save to Pocket into Pinboard (via IFTTT) because I know it's not going to randomly dick about with my experience like Pocket sometimes does and also that it's much less likely to flame out/sell out/"continue our journey with [CORP]" and shaft me.

(In fact, I have a whole bunch of IFTTT rules to save "faves" into Pinboard from Flickr, Instagram, Twitter, etc.)

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