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Classism in America

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Re: Classism in America

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LiveJournal is so low class, the author should've picked a nice middle-class platform like Medium to publish this

For fun I wanted to see what it would look like http://i.imgur.com/IiLVfU5.png

There is often a bit of truth in a joke. I wonder if the "medium" would change the reception of a story.

Re: Classism in America

#252

LiveJournal is so low class, the author should've picked a nice middle-class platform like Medium to publish this

In all seriousness, I've only run into two groups that (in my personal experience) still use LJ: Eastern Europeans, especially Russians, and pop-culture related "creators" (which is the broad brush that I'm painting fan art, fanfiction, etc with). It's a really weird mix.

Re: Classism in America

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I'd say that cuts both ways, as a latte-sipping godless liberal etc.

Yeah, but we don't control the media. There is not a national news station showing what's important to the middle states.

I noticed that, particularly about the New York Times. Periodically they'll have a piece about something in the South and it's always about the stereotypical slack-jawed yokel who's trying to marry his sister, or is living in a dirt hut but has 5000 guns, or a preacher who preaches black people are the descendants of Cain, or some such. It's like people in New York can't start their day without feeling superior to someone else.

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Very interesting thought, that colleges' purpose is to acculturate one into a certain culture. That would explain why collegiate athletics are so important: because people of a particular college's culture place importance on chasing after balls on grassy fields, it's important for colleges to acculturate their students to watching people chase after balls on grassy fields. I'm not saying that sarcastically — as much…

> > The ban on smoking in restaurants – which, let me be clear, I am wildly in favor of, being someone who can't patronize a business with cigarette smoking in it

> Can't? Given that tobacco smoke contains no allergens, methinks the mot juste would be 'won't.'

Those of us who have had to put up with reactions to cigarette smoke do not particularly care that those reactions are due to cigarette smoke being an irritant rather than an allergen. Won't is the operative word (except if you define "won't" as "won't because I might have to go spend some quality time in the local hospital").

https://www.sharecare.com/health/impact-nicotine-addiction-o... seems like a nice summary.

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> That's precisely the problem with race in America: race is a decent first-order approximation of class, with all the bad that entails. Not really. I mean in my state (WA), 48% of people below the poverty line are white, 18% are hispanic, 14% are asian, 14% are black. Sure some approximations of some classes are heavily involved with race, but if you're discussing class dynamics in general race isn't a necessary dis…

> I mean in my state (WA), 48% of people below the poverty line are white, 18% are hispanic, 14% are asian, 14% are black. You may just be getting numbers back based on the ethnicity that predominantly lives in your state. Look at relative poverty numbers. i.e., of the number of people who are of ethnicity X, how many are poor? I think you'll surely find a correlation that OP describes as a decent first-order approxi…

Right, there will be a correlation, but that's not the point. The point is that class as a concept exists very much outside of race.

You can easily read the essay pretending that everybody in the US who isn't white simply doesn't exist, and it still makes completes sense.

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The language of aspiration. I like to think that "re-architect" is non-U.

People also use something like that to mask a lack of knowledge / experience / understanding / intelligence. Once in a while someone uses big words so well it's poetry, but those people are the exception.

It's interesting to watch how, in a big tech project, a director or architect will occasionally start using a word like "corpus", "idempotent", "assert", etc. and it will trickle down the layers of the team. By the time the keypunch guy is using it, it's gone out of fashion, like last year's suit.

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"A cabbie asked me if I supported Donald Trump and told he we was surprised I didn't. He told me all Americans supported Trump. So I asked him if he was an IRA thug/terrorist, to which he naturally said no." It's hardly reasonable to compare being a member of a terrorist organization to supporting the leading candidate of one of two major parties. Consider just the sheer effort of participating in terrorism is far gr…

Can you come up with a better analogy on the spot that would have worked in that situation? SEJeff obviously isn't saying that Trump support and IRA support are exactly equivalent. He's saying they're both subgroups in a larger population that outsiders stereotype as representing the entire population, to the disgust of many of the people stereotyped. It's an excellent analogy because it references a situation that's…

"Are you protestant/catholic" would suffice. Lots of people in the US support Trump. Lots of people in NI are either protestant or catholic, and it's a shorthand for the sides of the same political divide that the IRA is involved in.

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Really? I'm originally from the south but have had zero issues in the northwest -- everyone is super mellow.

They like you just fine. You're not like "them". You're not like the racist, bigoted, regressive, backwards, ignorant, inbreds of people who still live in the South. Most people out here can comprehend the concept that there are people in our country who conservative, religious, and smart. They'd shit themselves if they met someone who was conservative and smarter than they were. (This is where you insert a joke abou…

"No True Scotsman..."

Re: Classism in America

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Part of that is because Chicago is considered the baseline "accent" for many news broadcasters, radio personalities, etc. As a result, most Americans have heard that accent their entire life and therefore don't really interpret it as all that different. I've found that it's the keywords that indicate where people are from within the Midwest: Is it soda or pop? Is it car-mel or care-uh-mel? (I do linguistic stuff in m…

Being from Wisconsin, I always get called out for how I pronounce "bag" and "bagel".

From Minnesota. I get the same.

Re: Classism in America

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Thus social class and economic class are not identical, they are intersectional. They relate and they mediate one another, but they are not the same thing. And both of these are not identical to race in the US, but their perception is indeed still partially mediated by race.

I find it frustrating that while everyone seems to be fine discussing privilege afforded by ethnicity, lack of disabilities or gender, the elephant in the room tends to get ignored: people like Zuckerberg or Gates weren't just privileged because they were born in the right skin (including the dangly bits) but also because they were born into the right families. If you are studying in an Ivy League tier university in…

According to the op, class discrimination is "culture fit."
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