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More Than 40% of Student Borrowers Aren’t Making Payments

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Who is supposed to work those jobs then? Even if Yelp relocated their non engineering staff, paying them minimum wage in some other city won't help them.

Actually, it can. It's not just the payment; it's payment against cost of living. $9 an hour might afford a house in the suburbs of a small city, or an apartment in a smaller city. It doesn't scratch the paint on the cost of a basic apartment in the Valley.

This is part of the reason zapped moved their call center out of the bay area and into Nevada.

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A big problem is that at age 17, all of the adults are saying go to college & take out these loans. Guidance councilors, teachers, parents. The most compliant high schoolers will just do what they are told without thinking about it further. I imagine this will start changing. When I was a kid, that group of adults had the benefit of cheap degrees. Today, now that group of adults is us and we did not go to school chea…

I personally never got that message. I got the "you will go to college" message, but it came bundled with a "don't borrow $40,000 for college" message. In fact, I turned down my first choice school (Rose-Hulman) because I would have accrued $50,000 on loans over four years. That seems to be unfortunately typical now.

I really wanted to go to MIT, but I couldn’t believe my eyes when they were bragging that average student debt after graduation was “only” the price of a brand-new minivan or sports coupe.

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post #21

There's a simple solution, the Feds should cutoff loans for schools that don't get their students jobs. The government are the only ones that are able to accurately calculate which schools are completely worthless. In fact they should take it one step further and advertise to the whole world what percentage of students get jobs in their studied field and the average starting salary. That would finally put some market…

At some point, the student is responsible for getting themselves a job. How do you differentiate between a student who is trying and failing to get a job because they were unprepared for their field vs. one who decided they don't want to be a journalist/biologist/whatever after all and backpacks around Europe for 2 years?

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A big takeaway from this article (for me) is that people are surprised that 17 year old kids don't understand what they're doing when they take out that college loan. Shock and astonishment despite there being little to no preparation for this kind of financial understanding previously in their education. That surprise and shock shocks and surprises me. Honestly it kind of reminds me of the whole Yelp minimum wage th…

I was fairly financially literate, and I was fortunate to have a family who supported my education, and grandparents who wanted to do what it took to fund it.

That said, it's a very ... odd process for most people. You're told to go to college, so you jump through the hoops; SATs, applications, etc. You choose a school. Now, hopefully as you're choosing a school, you're aware of costs and whether or not you can reasonably afford it. But, if I remember correctly, you don't have full information on what forms of aid you'll be receiving. Some schools offer much more generous financial aid and scholarships than others, and you don't have all of the info up front (again, from what I remember). You also don't know how much you'll be borrowing.

So then during your orientation you go to a "responsible borrowing" class and sign the paperwork for your loans and find out how much they'll be. It doesn't really feel like you have an option.

In my case, I only had to take out federally backed loans, which (for me) had very low per-year borrowing limits, so we're talking a minimal debt burden; a few thousand a year. I knew I'd be borrowing, and knew it wouldn't be an obscene amount.

But it just feels like the borrowing component is so far down the line that you're already committed to a school before you even get to it. Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't be prepared and have frank discussions before even choosing a school. Just that the system makes it easy to NOT be aware of it until it's too late. Nobody wants to back out of their freshman year in college at the last minute (likely after some money has been put down) because they balk at the loan paperwork.

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post #47

> The Education Department has assembled a “behavioral sciences unit” to study the psychology of borrowers and why they don’t repay. Ha! There is a bit of a hypocrisy there -- if big banks / companies piss away money and choose to strategically default then (and some even get bail-outs), it is just business. If people do it for whatever reason, well clearly the are immoral, deficient somehow, their psychology needs t…

The TARP bailout was not money just handed out to banks. It was loans to banking and other industries which was repaid in full overall. And in fact it was the auto industry which failed to repay the loan, not the banking industry. I'm not a fan of the financial sector but let's keep the facts straight here

No. They were hand outs. Only some banks got them. PNC got $5 billion from TARP. They then bought National City Bank, a regional bank in Ohio. National City was not allowed to even apply for TARP. PNC bought NC with that $5 billion, then got a tax break for $5 billion for "saving" them.

PNC bought National City for free, using tax payers money. TARP was not a loan. It backed every bank debt 100% (when it should have been pennies on the dollar) and allowed the strong banks to kill all the weaker ones, literally for free.

Had TARP not gone though, the banks would have had to sell mortgages back to debtors at a fraction of the price. Instead, they continued to collect loans on debtors, feed the rich and destroy the savings of the middle class.

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post #21

There's a simple solution, the Feds should cutoff loans for schools that don't get their students jobs. The government are the only ones that are able to accurately calculate which schools are completely worthless. In fact they should take it one step further and advertise to the whole world what percentage of students get jobs in their studied field and the average starting salary. That would finally put some market…

I think this is well intentioned but would be absolutely disastrous if implemented; it would give large employers de-facto control over what we are allowed to teach in higher education and encourage short sighted investment in current careers at the expense of cutting edge fields. Nevermind the substantial arguments that an education should be more than vocational training, and that job placement in many majors is mo…

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A big takeaway from this article (for me) is that people are surprised that 17 year old kids don't understand what they're doing when they take out that college loan. Shock and astonishment despite there being little to no preparation for this kind of financial understanding previously in their education. That surprise and shock shocks and surprises me. Honestly it kind of reminds me of the whole Yelp minimum wage th…

I remember seeing an article talking about removing some advanced math in high school and replacing it with something more useful like statistics.

IMO it should be replaced with basic finance.

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post #65

If graduates had the option to discharge their student loan debt in bankruptcy in exchange for revoking their degree, I wonder how many would end up taking that option.

Or if students had the option to discharge their debt in bankruptcy at all, how many would do it. I suspect enough that we'd have something resembling the last debt crisis on our hands, but depending on how that gets handled it might encourage lenders to be a bit more careful with who they lend to and how much they're willing to lend in the first place which may then encourage schools to lower costs.

Re: More Than 40% of Student Borrowers Aren’t Making Payments

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My wife is one of these borrowers. She has a master's degree in teaching. It cost her over $100k to get and she can't find job that would pay her enough that she'd be required to pay anything back. I've seen her loan repayment docs and her minimum payment due is $0 every month. While I think her decision to get a masters in education was a bad one (before we were married) I laugh at an institution that would loan her…

While she doesn't have a job that pays enough to trigger repayment, is the loan accruing interest? If so, is the interest rate higher than the one on your mortgage? If so, you might want to reconsider your strategy...

I'm also curious what marriage did to her perceived ability to repay, in the eyes of the system.
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