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Re: Mutt 1.6

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I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

> Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. In my opinion this concept does not work for most non-cli programs. How do you actually define this "one thing"? Is "reading an email" one thing? And "writing an email" another thing? What about "spellchecking the email"? What about "managing all my email contacts"? What about "back up my emails"? What about "sign email with GPG"? Do all of these things…

> The unix principle works quite well for stuff like grep/find/awk but there is just now way you could make GIMP follow the unix principle.

It seems that the unix principle is most relevant when compiling a C program takes too long and no interpreters exist that are fast enough. So, you figure out all the higher level functionality that you will need for system administration and compile that long before needing to do any sysadmin work. When a problem arises on a system, you can write a shell script that uses those already compiled commands, instead of writing a C program and waiting for it to compile. If your initial code sucks, you don't have to debug and recompile; you just debug and re-run the script.

Compiling C programs is now substantially less time consuming, so you could use C for sysadmin work (shudder). C shell was perhaps a similar attempt to get the benefits of C, but without the downside of compilation times. I seem to recall some essay on the harmfulness of using csh, so C will continue to keep its place.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Regexp.

RIP Google Code Search :( For reference, you used to be able to do this - https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch - with an archived cross-section of code on the Web. I wonder if we'll ever be able to do regex Google searches in the future, or if AI/machine learning will make that sort of flexibility redundant by the time the hardware would be able to handle it.

FWIW codesearch's spirit lives on with debian code search (https://codesearch.debian.net/) which allows you to do the same as codesearch, except for Debian only. Checkout also the thesis behind (https://codesearch.debian.net/research/bsc-thesis.pdf) that explains a lot about the challenges and the architecture.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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All sane residential ISPs block port 25 (SMTP) to prevent spam. All sane mail providers offer SUBMISSION (same protocol as SMTP) on port 587, which is intentionally not blocked by ISPs.

Residental ISPs where? I've yet to see one here in EU O.o

Most residential ISPs in the US, at least. Certainly all of the big ones do (Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, etc); the FTC has actually specifically recommended that all US ISPs block outbound port 25 as a spam mitigation measure.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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I actually use this already. I think my dissatisfaction with mutt + rss2email is more about RSS in general. It amounts to just being a short description of the article and a hyperlink, and at that point I might as well just load these websites in my browser. I need a better article scraper. General solutions that try to detect content, like Firefox's article mode and similar, don't do enough. We need youtube-dl for t…

Maybe a little more heavy handed but I use huginn for exactly that. Read in numerous RSS feeds and digest them into my email box. It does a lot more than that too. https://github.com/cantino/huginn

Wow I can't believe I've never heard of this. This is cool. Thanks for posting it.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Mutt is a very nice MUA that I use daily. The only thing that is bugging me is its slowness when working with large mailboxes.

Opening an IMAP mailbox with 100.000+ messages takes 60-90 seconds. And caching does not make things much faster. :(

Re: Mutt 1.6

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March 8, 2006 Marissa Mayer prefers Pine to Gmail [mayer]Marissa Mayer, VP, Search Products and User Experience at Google confesses to CNN Money that she doesn't use Gmail for her business mail. "I don't feel overwhelmed with information. I really like it. I use Gmail for my personal e-mail -- 15 to 20 e-mails a day -- but on my work e-mail I get as many as 700 to 800 a day, so I need something really fast. I use an…

Linus Torvalds uses Pine, too.

Recently he has been using gmail

Re: Mutt 1.6

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I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

I personally always felt that "full applications" were disconnected from the Unix philosophy. By definition, such an application does many things: fetch things from the network, display them, sort them, ... it talks many protocols, concerns itself with many I/O systems. I'm certainly not saying that it is the way to go, but a real Unix philosophy way of dealing with email would be to use a command to pull mails from…

I didn't know, thank you everyone!

Re: Mutt 1.6

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I wish I could interface NNTP and RSS feeds with Mutt somehow.

Shameless plug: I use sinntp[0] to grab newsgroup messages and put them into a mailbox. You can also configure mutt so that it can post to newsgroups (see doc/mutt-integration.txt). [0] http://jwilk.net/software/sinntp

This looks like good software. I'm going to try using this to replace slrn. If it's okay with you, I'll email you in a couple weeks with an update.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Well, if you do want to send all-your-emails-since-ever to all-your-contacts, I bet it's a lot harder to do in Gmail. Perhaps that's where Mutt shines!

You're joking, but it's true. It's the same thing with any poweruser tool, like Vim and tiling window managers. You can accomplish surprisingly difficult tasks in just a few keystrokes, but you can also destroy everything just as easily.

TBH I don't think you can easily destroy things in Vim/Emacs though. As long as you don't for some reason run it as sudo the security mechanism is quite robust.
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