WhatsApp's Signal Protocol integration is now complete

Post by nahumba » Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 5:50 AM UTC

MrMullen wrote: post #156

moxie wrote: post #140

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By default, Telegram stores a plaintext copy of every message you've ever sent or received on their servers. WhatsApp does end to end encryption using the Signal Protocol by default, and doesn't store anything server side.

Don't forget that Telegram uses custom in house encryption and they say "trust us", it's good. Telegram encryption can't be verified.

Post by bostik » Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 6:04 AM UTC

martindevans wrote: post #29

mike_hearn wrote: post #14

This is really excellent. A few thoughts: 1) They seem to have replaced TLS/SSL between client and server with "Noise Pipes". Based on a couple of minutes Googling this seems to be a brand new one-man protocol from Trevor Perrin (the same guy who did Axoltl on which Signal is based). At least, I'd never heard of it. I wonder if this is the first inkling of a post-TLS future? http://noiseprotocol.org/noise.html 2) It'…

> It's a shame to see key words be killed off by internationalisation concerns [....] I hope further research here can develop better replacements for encoding short binary strings in i18n friendly ways I rather like the urbit way of encoding numbers. I can't remember the exact details but it's something like: There are 256 unique three letter words (all nonsense, but deliberately picked to be possible to pronounce).…

Post by oye » Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 6:36 AM UTC

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 6:58 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #256

jacobolus wrote: post #191

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Because words coming from Nahuatl are cool! (coyotl, mesquitl, tomatl, ahuacatl, etc.) See more from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_from_ind... They’re distinctively spelled, don’t collide with existing search terms, often have available domains, etc. Most importantly, they anticipated the web 2.0 trend of ending words with two consonants in a row. ;) Finally, just look at this guy: https://uploa…

> Because words coming from Nahuatl are cool! (coyotl, mesquitl, tomatl, ahuacatl, etc.) > Most importantly, they anticipated the web 2.0 trend of ending words with two consonants in a row. ;) But those words (coyote, mesquite, tomato, and avocado, unless I seriously miss my guess) all end in a vowel.

Post by lox » Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 7:45 AM UTC

nahumba wrote: post #310

pfg wrote: post #199

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"Secret Chat" uses Telegram's (flawed) E2E protocol, so the server would only see ciphertext. A "normal" chat is stored in plaintext. This is also why normal chats work in multi-device environments, but secret chats don't. Unlike iMessage (and I assume Signal - haven't looked at the actual protocol), they don't do anything fancy like making the sender encrypt messages with multiple public keys (one for each device th…

If you know something that telegram doesn`t know, maybe you should contact them, and ask your bitcoins worth of 200,000$ https://telegram.org/crypto_contest . Easier to "talk".