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Re: Mailtrain.org, self-hosted open-source Mailchimp clone

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Post by lyqwyd »

twisted1919 wrote: post #62
WA wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the value add here? As a user, how does the framework matter?

It does matter a lot since it brings a solid foundation to build on, and that foundation is well tested, gets regular updates and makes it easy to create a super extensible application. Most of users that look for such self hosted solution will know that using a framework is better than "pure php" because they get well tested code.

The use of a framework Does not mean the code is better, i would argue the opposite, many a new dev learns on a framework and often doesn't know the underlying language, whereas choosing not to use a framework is usually a conscious decision based on evaluation of actual needs.

Re: Mailtrain.org, self-hosted open-source Mailchimp clone

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Post by gingerling »

dest wrote: post #83
gingerling wrote: post #68

I am the phpList community manager. Anyone used phpList before? We're Open Source (AGPL specifically). We offer phpList as a hosted service on phpList.com. It's the same code (AGPL) but we deal with deliverability, updates etc. Our clients range from 300 mails a month (free) to high volume senders on VPS with millions of subscribers and mails :)

Yes I did, as self-hosted and for very low volume. Thank you for being part of this project. However, I stopped using it because of user-experience issues. Interface was not clear and efficient enough, especially when working with templates. Last point, design seemed a bit outdated.

There are UI design changes afoot, I believe. The big changes for self-hosted users recently are the new manual at www.phplist.org/manual and the new forums, discuss.phplist.org (using discourse, which I adore!)

I think for small volume it's always better value to use the .com service. Using self-hosted is a lot of work for small volumes. I always used .com for my small business (years before I worked for phpList too) :)

Re: Mailtrain.org, self-hosted open-source Mailchimp clone

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Post by twisted1919 »

lyqwyd wrote: post #91
twisted1919 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter a lot since it brings a solid foundation to build on, and that foundation is well tested, gets regular updates and makes it easy to create a super extensible application. Most of users that look for such self hosted solution will know that using a framework is better than "pure php" because they get well tested code.

The use of a framework Does not mean the code is better, i would argue the opposite, many a new dev learns on a framework and often doesn't know the underlying language, whereas choosing not to use a framework is usually a conscious decision based on evaluation of actual needs.

I was talking only on my behalf :)
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