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Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But PayPal should be required to exist in NC?

Oh, PayPal may do whatever they want, including advocating for the violent coercion of conscientious objectors, but I won't applaud them for doing that.

You have no understanding of what was actually passed

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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post #7

Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…

go back to breitbart sev - the ladies are waiting

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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The law requires men to use the men's room, and women to use the women's room. I don't see the problem with that. If it's really an issue, why can't PayPal just put a third bathroom in its facility for any gender?

That is one of 3 major parts to the bill. You can read for yourself (with the handy diff-like format available here: http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/BillLookUp/LoadBillDocumen...) or read any or the huge number of analyses of the bill.

It is far beyond transsexual citizens of NC, though that aspect of the bill is ridiculous, too. Or will police have to inspect the genitalia of M2F/F2M transitioned people in the presence of a birth certificate?

Please, by all means google pictures of transitioned people, both male and female, and look at their outward appearance versus their chromosomal sexual identity. Then imagine them being forced to use the bathroom with other people sharing the same genetic sexual identity.

Everything was working just fine before this bill. There were laws about public indecency, sexual assualt, and invasion of privacy that covered any and all bathroom misbehavior. It solves zero problems, and lost NC $20M in annual salary.

Again, and please look at the details of how it takes rights away from cities and states, and completely guts state level discrimination protection for all classes (veterans, race, religion, et al).

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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I will be super interested in Red Hat. They threatened to leave for Atlanta in the past five years. This could not be further from their corporate values, and they have a highly distributed workforce and a big base of operations in Massachusetts and a fair number of people in the Bay Area.

McCrory is a real idiot. The money in NC comes from the cities. They may have won a Pyrrhic victory in the gerrymandering, but now that the rural districts have this power to drive legislation, they are going to drive companies/money right out of Asheville (brewing, tourism), Charlotte (finance/finance tech), and Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill (software R&D and biotech).

PayPal isn't the first news. NC lost a startup incubator that was going to start a local presence already. There is more to this, and it's going to end the governors' national political ambitions as well has harm the economy of NC for decades.

edit: if it doesn't get overturned (in its entirety) immediately when the legislation gets back in session or through the courts, which is already in progress.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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post #7

Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…

That would be interesting if it were in any way relevant to what HB2 were about. * it overturns a local law regarding who can use a bathroom, and removes the ability for anyone but the state to legislate that (takes power away from cities and counties) * it removes the ability of city and counties to enforce hiring standards on government contractors (minimum wage, discrimination practices, safety standards) in any w…

It's pretty clear the OP is a troll, but at least we got your enlightening response from it. The law is even more distasteful than I knew.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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post #11

Too bad the city of Charlotte was the city that passed the law in the first place. So you're taking a stand against NC by hurting Charlotte who was just screwed over by the state gov too.

Sounds like Charlotte needs to start some kind of war with the state government. Maybe they should secede and start a new state.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be interesting if it were in any way relevant to what HB2 were about. * it overturns a local law regarding who can use a bathroom, and removes the ability for anyone but the state to legislate that (takes power away from cities and counties) * it removes the ability of city and counties to enforce hiring standards on government contractors (minimum wage, discrimination practices, safety standards) in any w…

It's pretty clear the OP is a troll, but at least we got your enlightening response from it. The law is even more distasteful than I knew.

I know, but it's a tough call between feeding a troll and applying sunlight as a disinfectant.

Thank you, I'm glad I can help share how awful (even moreso, the more you dig into what it does and how it was passed) this bill is.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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I will be super interested in Red Hat. They threatened to leave for Atlanta in the past five years. This could not be further from their corporate values, and they have a highly distributed workforce and a big base of operations in Massachusetts and a fair number of people in the Bay Area. McCrory is a real idiot. The money in NC comes from the cities. They may have won a Pyrrhic victory in the gerrymandering, but no…

Well, the people of NC are getting exactly what they deserve. They voted for this.

And spare me the whining about gerrymandering. The Governor is elected by everyone in the state; gerrymandering has no effect on that election. If this were really an issue of gerrymandering, we would have seen a crappy bill passed by the Legislature, and sent to the governor, and promptly vetoed because the governor more closely represents the average people in the state. That didn't happen.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be interesting if it were in any way relevant to what HB2 were about. * it overturns a local law regarding who can use a bathroom, and removes the ability for anyone but the state to legislate that (takes power away from cities and counties) * it removes the ability of city and counties to enforce hiring standards on government contractors (minimum wage, discrimination practices, safety standards) in any w…

It's pretty clear the OP is a troll, but at least we got your enlightening response from it. The law is even more distasteful than I knew.

Yeah, no kidding about the enlightening response. This guy has the worst username ever ("throwaway5752"); he's one of the best and most informative posters I've ever seen here.

Re: PayPal Withdraws Plan for Charlotte Expansion

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post #2

Great political move on PayPals part. And good social move to put pressure on the politics of NC. But... This is mostly for show. If they really meant it they would not do business in Uganda, DRC, Kazakhstan, etc. places where it's de jure illegal to be out as LGBT. So, while the side effect of their PR is good, it's more or less a side effect of PR for them. I'll believe their intentions when the move out of all pla…

Exactly, it's virtue signaling. This week, it's fashionable to attack and punish North Carolina. Next week, it will be somewhere else, probably also in the US. But Paypal will never cease business in Saudi Arabia or anywhere in the Muslim world where the government executes gay people. We shouldn't celebrate or support people "standing for their beliefs" when they're not actually risking anything.

I wouldn't say they're risking nothing. Sure, they're not shutting down existing offices and removing themselves from markets, but they probably walked away from money they wont get back. I'm sure there were legal fees, plus people they might have already begun to recruit. So yes, its not a large risk, but its not like it didn't come at a loss for them.
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