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Dominions of fizz: the carbonated-drinks industry and public health [pdf]

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I thought the same thing about yogurt. The flavored ones have a lot of sugar and people I know say they want a less sweet version. Then last week I met a man in the supermarket. We were both staring at various yogurts. I was comparison shopping; he was "spying" on the competition and the store. You see, he worked for a yogurt maker. He asked me what I considered important and I asked him about reduced sugar variants.…

Yeah. It's because we've been given sugary shit en masse for decades. It's like asking someone addicted to heroin if they would like to stop doing heroin. Anyway, the rise of Greek yogurt at least shows that this isn't 100% true. It does need a little sugar for me to find it palatable as breakfast, but like, we're talking 2 or 3 sliced strawberries or a handful of blueberries.

>It's because we've been given sugary shit en masse for decades.

For weeks. It only takes a few weeks for your sense of taste to adjust to a change in diet.

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Even in droughts? In Indiana most corn fields have some movable watering things (like http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/field-irrigation-system-34543... ). They don't get used much, but in a few week dry spell they might get used for a day to keep the corn alive.

Nobody has nothing. Rain or not, the corn is on its own.

http://www.thegazette.com/2012/07/28/some-iowa-farmers-turni...

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For reference, 1 lb (454 g) of beef requires between 3800 L and 9500 L of water. This implies a typical beef restaurant "value meal" demands on the order of 10000 L of water.

Another important point is that fresh water is neither created nor destroyed, although entropy leads to more energy being required in the entire supply chain for its consumption and in external systems to treat/move/reclaim water for other purposes (increased competition / water prices).

There's also pesticide and fertilizer runoff, deforestation and reduced rainfall (Brazil) and antibiotic resistant, pandemic disease emergence (swine flu).

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It's desalinated by becoming rain again.

We are discovering in California that that rain does not always fall back where the water was taken.

California's discovering that pretty late compared to much of the rest of the world.

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Perhaps a bit tangential - but when things like this say 'diet soda has not been shown as an effective means of weight control' it annoys me. Not because I don't think there are serious questions are diet soda, but because the mischaracterized what diet soda is - not a weight control product but rather a zero calorie drink.

Especially when they go on to talk about shell lobbying companies with dubious names, you would think they would avoid imitating...

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Right! Here in Iowa we water the corn the way God intended, by waiting for it to fall from the sky for free. I can always tell when flying to CA when I get into Nebraska, those huge 'crop circles' formed by irrigation start to show up.

Even in droughts? In Indiana most corn fields have some movable watering things (like http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/field-irrigation-system-34543... ). They don't get used much, but in a few week dry spell they might get used for a day to keep the corn alive.

On the western fringes of Iowa in some places, yes. For most of Iowa there is no irrigation.

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Radiophobe here. I can't accept the morality of handing stewardship of spent nuclear fuel to my children and their children for a thousand generations. Would you still want to be caring for a monster left to us by the people who wrote on cave walls? As far as a DGR, I'll believe it when a nation other than Finland has shovels in the ground to actually build one.

"Caring for" meaning simply not entering the tomb labeled "This is not a place of honor"?

Thousands of years is a really long time, especially when you look at how awful people are at learning the lessons of just a generation or two ago.

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>340 to 620 litres I amused myself trying to find the source. The article is based from a quote from the book which is based on a study: The green, blue and grey water footprint of crops and derived crop products, Twente Water Centre http://waterfootprint.org/media/downloads/Mekonnen-Hoekstra-... I think he is for example counting the rain and irrigation water that falls on the sugar cane that it used to make the Cok…

Besides which, that water isn't lost; in the Netherlands, it either sinks into the soil to eventually become ground water again (after which it's reused), or it ends up in the sea via canals and rivers. It's not like we have a water shortage in NL, not yet anyway. Besides ground water, there are several rivers passing through NL coming from the Alps, sometimes to the point of overflowing. Really, the only thing waste…

The reason U.S. farmers created the dustbowl was, in part, because they were immigrants from the European temperate forest biome and had no idea how to farm properly in the grasslands of the American west.

The Dutch are not master farmers, you are just in a fairly moist climate and the culture has been relatively uninterrupted due to political strength that you obtained through the plunder of the developing world. I don't think your water security is anything to be proud of. How is water security in the former Dutch colonies these days?

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