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Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by nextos »

yoodenvranx wrote: post #56
nextos wrote: post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

> Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. In my opinion this concept does not work for most non-cli programs. How do you actually define this "one thing"? Is "reading an email" one thing? And "writing an email" another thing? What about "spellchecking the email"? What about "managing all my email contacts"? What about "back up my emails"? What about "sign email with GPG"? Do all of these things…

Well, in case of mutt, it's just reading email from a local maildir. That is, a MUA (mail user agent) in it's own jargon.

Mostly everything else is outsourced. Composing is done by your $EDITOR, sending is done by an external program, fetching email by an external program too. Even indexing and querying is usually outsourced to a modern xapian-based tool, like mu or notmuch.

This leads to powerful composable workflows.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

yoodenvranx wrote: post #56
nextos wrote: post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

> Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. In my opinion this concept does not work for most non-cli programs. How do you actually define this "one thing"? Is "reading an email" one thing? And "writing an email" another thing? What about "spellchecking the email"? What about "managing all my email contacts"? What about "back up my emails"? What about "sign email with GPG"? Do all of these things…

> The unix principle works quite well for stuff like grep/find/awk but there is just now way you could make GIMP follow the unix principle.

http://www.imagemagick.org/

;)

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by kingmanaz »

Kadin wrote: post #62
kingmanaz wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UNIX philosophy is still alive and kicking and just a terminal away courtesy of SDF.org.

Love SDF. (Of course, I run bash and Emacs on it, which will probably earn me a slightly-warmer spot in Hell someday than if I used ksh and vi like God intended.)

Sacrilege. Ksh93 and nvi here.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by nickysielicki »

nextos wrote: post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

I wish I could interface NNTP and RSS feeds with Mutt somehow.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by rms_returns »

yoodenvranx wrote: post #56
nextos wrote: post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

> Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. In my opinion this concept does not work for most non-cli programs. How do you actually define this "one thing"? Is "reading an email" one thing? And "writing an email" another thing? What about "spellchecking the email"? What about "managing all my email contacts"? What about "back up my emails"? What about "sign email with GPG"? Do all of these things…

> Do all of these things really need a separate program?

Indeed. This is one of the reasons why the unixy "One app does one thing" philosophers dislike the C++ language so much. C++ is built for creating precisely the kind of apps you are describing - Classes are a well-defined compartment or component that does this "one thing" business while the app co-ordinates their working towards a common good.

C, on the other hand, pertains much to their "one thing" philosophy and they like it very much.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by k2enemy »

nickysielicki wrote: post #74
nextos wrote: post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

I wish I could interface NNTP and RSS feeds with Mutt somehow.

I've been using rss2email (https://github.com/wking/rss2email) to read rss feeds in mutt. It works well for me.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by loeg »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #72
yoodenvranx wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. In my opinion this concept does not work for most non-cli programs. How do you actually define this "one thing"? Is "reading an email" one thing? And "writing an email" another thing? What about "spellchecking the email"? What about "managing all my email contacts"? What about "back up my emails"? What about "sign email with GPG"? Do all of these things…

> The unix principle works quite well for stuff like grep/find/awk but there is just now way you could make GIMP follow the unix principle. http://www.imagemagick.org/ ;)

ImageMagick is a poor example of "doing one thing right" because every command line tool actually does a million different things with different command line switches. Additionally, it can't do everything GIMP can (which I think you're acknowledging with the winky face).

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by nickysielicki »

k2enemy wrote: post #76
nickysielicki wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could interface NNTP and RSS feeds with Mutt somehow.

I've been using rss2email ( https://github.com/wking/rss2email ) to read rss feeds in mutt. It works well for me.

I actually use this already.

I think my dissatisfaction with mutt + rss2email is more about RSS in general. It amounts to just being a short description of the article and a hyperlink, and at that point I might as well just load these websites in my browser.

I need a better article scraper. General solutions that try to detect content, like Firefox's article mode and similar, don't do enough.

We need youtube-dl for text.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by shirro »

I am a reluctant Mutt user. I prefer it to webmail but I prefer a good native gui client to either. It is a very flexible solution but is a big investment in configuration and keypress memory for a casual user. It is a relief to see it still being developed. So much seems abandoned these days with the bleed to web and mobile.

Re: Mutt 1.6

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Post by ghshephard »

profeta wrote: post #9
elsigh wrote: post #8

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> Nothing to envy from Gmail. I switched because of search, which is amazing in gmail and hard in mutt (for me). What do you do?

> search amazing in gmail. really? until a few months ago, you couldn't find anything besides whole words with textual search on gmail. why do people have it's search at such high standards? how bad was the alternative you had?

I'm not sure what you mean here - I've searched in email for years with gmail - and it's basically always been flawless. Search on From:, To:, Subject, Date, etc... - in addition to searching for content in the body.

I'm curious, what other search does one do in email?

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