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Re: Mutt 1.6

#21
There was a great thread on HN before that motivated me to install mutt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10182582

I found this tutorial that I wanted to follow in that thread: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/

I do have offlineimap and mutt already setup and I can read emails, but haven't installed notmuch or done any configuration. Seeing 1.6 release reminds me that I should give it a fair try again.

Re: Mutt 1.6

#23
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> search amazing in gmail. really? until a few months ago, you couldn't find anything besides whole words with textual search on gmail. why do people have it's search at such high standards? how bad was the alternative you had?

It's funny, i have been frustrated since day 1 which gmails search. Granted, it could very likely be user error - as i often forget the set of keywords that might lead me to the email i desire, but regardless i as a user am left frustrated. Since someone may ask, my desires are simple in nature, but i'm sure difficult to implement. I simply want to find an email. On the Google Search side of things, i have often been…

Search has the benefit of all they data they have from the millions of other users who searched the same term and clicked certain results. It also has the backing of Pagerank. Your email is unique to you and doesn't have any of these advantages.

Re: Mutt 1.6

#24
https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz is another active fork of mutt with a whole bunch of improvements that haven't made it upstream yet. It's been accepting patches for most of the time mutt upstream had been asleep (years). For example mbox parsing in mutt-kz is about 50% faster

Re: Mutt 1.6

#25
post #14

most desktop clients (mutt included) almost died when everyone moved to gmail and such. imap/pop access was too expensive (when compared to having a so-so UI for free) or not available. now that gmail and yahoomail give imap for free, they will surely comeback. see N1 for example.

Gmail has provided free IMAP since they launched, and Yahoo has had it for years too. Personally, my main draw to Gmail is that I just don't have to deal with ISPs blocking SMTP, which can get really annoying really quickly on laptops.

Re: Mutt 1.6

#26
post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

the UNIX philosophy died with the advent of the web imo. The emacs editor/Mozilla suite (SeaMonkey) mentality of doing most things and doing them relatively well is the reality we have inherited.

Re: Mutt 1.6

#27
post #14

most desktop clients (mutt included) almost died when everyone moved to gmail and such. imap/pop access was too expensive (when compared to having a so-so UI for free) or not available. now that gmail and yahoomail give imap for free, they will surely comeback. see N1 for example.

Gmail has provided free IMAP since they launched, and Yahoo has had it for years too. Personally, my main draw to Gmail is that I just don't have to deal with ISPs blocking SMTP, which can get really annoying really quickly on laptops.

>ISPs blocking SMTP is this actually still a thing? I know on our campus network they block SMTP on the wired network, but not on the wireless (for some boneheaded reason or another).

Re: Mutt 1.6

#28
post #14

most desktop clients (mutt included) almost died when everyone moved to gmail and such. imap/pop access was too expensive (when compared to having a so-so UI for free) or not available. now that gmail and yahoomail give imap for free, they will surely comeback. see N1 for example.

Pretty sure gmail supported POP from day one, and it has supported IMAP since 2007 [1]. The problem is that gmail's mail organizational system is sort of incompatible with POP/IMAP and completely incompatible with a number of clients. That started to change around 2010 when gmail had been so popular for so long that the standards and clients started to accomodate gmail's way of doing things.

Desktop MUAs won't suddenly become popular now. A generation of users has been brought up on webmail, and the idea of using a separate program for email on the desktop isn't familiar to them.

[1] http://www.wired.com/2007/10/google_adds_imap_support_to_gma...

Re: Mutt 1.6

#29
post #26
post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

the UNIX philosophy died with the advent of the web imo. The emacs editor/Mozilla suite (SeaMonkey) mentality of doing most things and doing them relatively well is the reality we have inherited.

As someone said (paraphrasing): Emacs is a great operating system, but its text editor could be a little better.

Re: Mutt 1.6

#30
post #8
post #3

I use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.

> Nothing to envy from Gmail. I switched because of search, which is amazing in gmail and hard in mutt (for me). What do you do?

I use mairix, which is very old but still does the job.
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