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Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by agumonkey »

meddlepal wrote: post #105
agumonkey wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how people feel about nix. Broken updates are by design a minor issue since it's transactional/rollbackable.

How is NixOS as a workstation/desktop/laptop OS? Does it have any major issues with hardware I'd run into?

2015 release used kernel 3.18, some drivers were lagging[1] so I went back to arch. But the latest 2016.03 release is now on 4.4, I'm about to try. I saw many people saying they were happy using nixos on twitter. It's a paradigm shift that require a good deal of RTFM. Felt like the first time I used linux somehow.

[1] my wifi chip took minutes to initialize due to proprietary blob issues.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by mcguire »

gp7 wrote: post #60
towb wrote: post #22

This sure looks nice. My problem with nice looking Linux is that I becomes too limited and I get forced into habits that I don't like. Now all I use is bspwm, no status bars or anything, a lot of times I miss having something good looking though. But I became happier when I just let it go, it's easy to go down that road of constant tweaking.

Every time I see a new tiling window manager I get a little thrill of excitement. Then I discover it's identical to every other one, including the one I already use. This isn't a complaint. I'm really happy with how pointless they make constant tweaking and customising

I'm back to ratpoison after using xmonad, and it's tempting to play with something new, but I only ever use one maximized window on each screen, so it's kind of pointless.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by roblabla »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #106
roblabla wrote: post #53

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Small nitpick, they aren't symlinked to their original position, but instead to a "profile" (global for instance is in /run/current-system/sw, your local profile is $HOME/.nix-profile). This has several consequences. It means binaries distributed with the expectation of libraries being in their original position (e.g. /usr/lib/libc.so) don't work as is. It also means scripts depending on the presence of /usr/bin/bash…

Yeah but we're very good at patching shebangs, rpaths, etc.

With packaged softwares, yeah it rocks and it's seamless.

The problem comes from anything that's not packaged. Things that exist outside the nixos ecosystem.

For instance, the Android SDK is a bit of pain in the neck to install via the nixpkgs : it's a mutable piece of software with pieces that auto-update themselves, made of lots of smaller packages that aren't bundled in the main package, etc...

However, the binaries google provide doesn't run properly on nixos by default because of the non-standard install (has to set LD_PRELOAD so it can find the libc).

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by dhagz »

swasheck wrote: post #92
sevensor wrote: post #88

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It's from Atlas Shrugged , and I think it's trying to draw some kind of parallel between using Arch and struggling against oppressive forces of mental tyranny. As represented by Apricity perhaps? Arch is for heroic individualists? Arch is great and all. I love using it, but I get pretty impatient with people who think they're smarter than everyone else because they can follow the detailed instructions in a well-writt…

I only wish that you'd posted each sentence as separate comments so that I can upvote each one individually. Back when I had freedom of choice for my OS at my place of employment, I wanted to learn about Linux so I chose it. Then I wanted to learn more about Linux so I moved from Ubuntu to Arch. At first, the documentation is a lifesaver. However, a bit of time invested in reading it carefully will also really educat…

Thanks to Arch Linux, my first instinct when using a new command-line tool is to add the `--help` flag, then run `man `. It helped me stop googling crap all the time.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by pessimizer »

burkaman wrote: post #78
jakhead wrote: post #62

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"This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafrai…

What does this quote mean? And what does it have to do with someone's package manager configuration?

My guess is it's about looking for the perfect setup through trusting some random server with the keys to the castle (by disabling signature checks) instead of learning how to configure your own system.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by pessimizer »

sevensor wrote: post #97
burkaman wrote: post #91

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I don't think it's Atlas Shrugged, googling it brings up some kind of spiritual philosopher guru guy. It makes sense in that context, like he's justifying why most people don't understand his enlightened teachings. But I don't get why it's posted here.

Fascinating! You're right. I was misremembering the quote. Furthermore, it's from 1929, well before Atlas was written. Still, it sounds quite a lot like something John Galt would say. Who knew Ayn Rand was so eclectic?

I have no idea where you detected anything having to do with Ayn Rand or any of her ideas. It's a pretty way that saying that the rewards of experience can't be granted and must be earned; not that no one eats for free, unless people eat mountaintops. What is a mountaintop without a mountain anyway?

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by bobwaycott »

PuercoPop wrote: post #110
sevensor wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's from Atlas Shrugged , and I think it's trying to draw some kind of parallel between using Arch and struggling against oppressive forces of mental tyranny. As represented by Apricity perhaps? Arch is for heroic individualists? Arch is great and all. I love using it, but I get pretty impatient with people who think they're smarter than everyone else because they can follow the detailed instructions in a well-writt…

Same with Gentoo. Some people pretended like doing a stage 1 install taught you more about the system. Besides chroot I don't remember anything I learned from it. Loved Gentoo though. Especially how configurable it was.

On the other hand, I learned quite a lot through many stage 1 installs. Don't think I ever would have grown so comfortable with a command line and Linux if it hadn't been for stage 1s (and screwing them up).

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Post by neptune6932 »

pessimizer wrote: post #116
sevensor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating! You're right. I was misremembering the quote. Furthermore, it's from 1929, well before Atlas was written. Still, it sounds quite a lot like something John Galt would say. Who knew Ayn Rand was so eclectic?

I have no idea where you detected anything having to do with Ayn Rand or any of her ideas. It's a pretty way that saying that the rewards of experience can't be granted and must be earned; not that no one eats for free, unless people eat mountaintops. What is a mountaintop without a mountain anyway?

fwiw, I read Atlas not long ago and there is a very similar paragraph about John Galt climbing a mountain to discover the fountain of youth.

> "Only he never came back" Why didn't he? she asked. "Because he found that it couldn't be brought down."

Good memory sevensor.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by Ericson2314 »

roblabla wrote: post #113
Ericson2314 wrote: post #106

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Yeah but we're very good at patching shebangs, rpaths, etc.

With packaged softwares, yeah it rocks and it's seamless. The problem comes from anything that's not packaged. Things that exist outside the nixos ecosystem. For instance, the Android SDK is a bit of pain in the neck to install via the nixpkgs : it's a mutable piece of software with pieces that auto-update themselves, made of lots of smaller packages that aren't bundled in the main package, etc... However, the binari…

Well the Android SDK is like the worst-packaged thing ever :). I thought that its nixpkgs package was one of the greatest efforts to salvage the situation---the XSLT to automatically convert it's xml metadata to nix expressions is super impressive.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by sevensor »

pessimizer wrote: post #116
sevensor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating! You're right. I was misremembering the quote. Furthermore, it's from 1929, well before Atlas was written. Still, it sounds quite a lot like something John Galt would say. Who knew Ayn Rand was so eclectic?

I have no idea where you detected anything having to do with Ayn Rand or any of her ideas. It's a pretty way that saying that the rewards of experience can't be granted and must be earned; not that no one eats for free, unless people eat mountaintops. What is a mountaintop without a mountain anyway?

One of the characters is talking about John Galt in that roundabout way they have of talking about John Galt, and says that he's the man who climbed to the top of the mountain and discovered the fountain of youth, but when he tried to bring it back down, he found that it couldn't be brought back down, only climbed up to. Or something like that. That's why this quote reminded me of Atlas. Probably, they both cribbed it from Nietzsche.
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