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Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old smart-home devices

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Re: Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old smart-home devices

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Post by mhurron »

roel_v wrote: post #74
mhurron wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> arrogance of a company making a webcam that sends your video to their servers, and provides no means to use the camera in a secure/local fashion I basically say the same thing about every 'smart home' device. I would love to be able to query my thermostat to find out when and how long it turned the heat/AC on and whatnot, but I only want it to talk to my local wifi and devices. I don't want it to use a cloud servic…

There are plenty of smart home devices that work without any form of internet connection. Have been for 20+ years, too.

I have only seen ones that allow you to program them (wake, leave, return, sleep) but wifi enabled for querying I have only seen ones that require a cloud account, even if you can also locally query them.

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Post by bduerst »

profeta wrote: post #38
kefka wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a much scarier scenario... You use whatever app to summon a car. You give it a destination, and instead, the car makes a detour to the local police station. the address you entered is in a higher crime rate locality, and therefore the car owner approved further "screening". So the car goes to the local police station for a routine search of the car (authorized by car owner) and a dog search of you... Th…

just because the car owner allow search of his property, it does not make your property available. and i am also pretty sure even a bad lawyer could get you a criminal kidnap case out of this.

Hah. Has anyone been able to uphold a "You agree to being abducted" in a terms of service before?

Re: Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old smart-home devices

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Post by on_and_off »

merpnderp wrote: post #78

Reminds be of when I bought a Nexus One because Google promised it would receive updates as soon as they were ready. The next Nexus device came out with the update, and my Nexus One didn't get it. I think it came out a half year later, but by then I'd moved on to cyanogenmod and then to iOS and never looked back. I've been weary of Google ever since.

ahh the nexus one and its ridiculously small system partition.

I still love the design of this phone, but it has severe oversights as far as evolvability goes.

Re: Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old smart-home devices

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Post by zyxley »

hatsix wrote: post #68
SEJeff wrote: post #23

This is also one of the reasons I've moved most of my "hub like" functions to home assistant https://home-assistant.io/ which is open source 100% https://github.com/balloob/home-assistant I was burned by them buying Revolv, the most promising of all hubs due to having multiple antennas and touted as supporting multiple new protocols via software updates (which never happened post merger).

So... are there any hubs that specifically work with home-assistant? I like the idea of home-assistant, but I've already got a ton of z-wave already in my house.

For Z-Wave, they use OpenZWave, which has a list of compatible controllers: https://github.com/OpenZWave/open-zwave/wiki/Controller-Comp...

Re: Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old smart-home devices

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Post by whazor »

FussyZeus wrote: post #101

Do not trust the cloud. Do not trust the cloud. Do not trust the cloud. If you didn't build it and you don't know where it is, it could go away at any time for any reason and you will have zero recourse. DO NOT. TRUST. THE CLOUD.

I would say that paid cloud works okay. At least there is some incentive for them to keep it online.

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Post by dragonwriter »

profeta wrote: post #38
kefka wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a much scarier scenario... You use whatever app to summon a car. You give it a destination, and instead, the car makes a detour to the local police station. the address you entered is in a higher crime rate locality, and therefore the car owner approved further "screening". So the car goes to the local police station for a routine search of the car (authorized by car owner) and a dog search of you... Th…

just because the car owner allow search of his property, it does not make your property available. and i am also pretty sure even a bad lawyer could get you a criminal kidnap case out of this.

Probably not when the TOS of the autocar service includes consent to such security-related rerouting.

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Post by techthroway443 »

FussyZeus wrote: post #101

Do not trust the cloud. Do not trust the cloud. Do not trust the cloud. If you didn't build it and you don't know where it is, it could go away at any time for any reason and you will have zero recourse. DO NOT. TRUST. THE CLOUD.

Are you from the future

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Post by ChuckMcM »

It is a sad evolution of things. What happens to your Model S if Tesla goes out of business? The whole "remote compute / hosted" thing is a challenge. I hit it recently when I was looking to demonstrate an old game that used to run on Win98 and realized the version on the CD was unplayable and the servers where it originally downloaded the 2 gigabyte "patch" was no longer online. I found an older image of my C drive from back in the day and with a lot of work got that running under vmware workstation, only to have it still be unusable because I couldn't get the vmware version to simulate a 3D card that DirectX 4 would talk to. So well and truly dead as far as I am concerned.

So having all this stuff depend on other stuff which is only relevant at the current point in time where all the systems are online, is a recipe for massive loss of infrastructure support. The whole "long lived home server" thing starts to become a compelling response.

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Post by [deleted] »

tomc1985 wrote: post #82

>1 points by tomc1985 10 days ago | parent | on: OneDrive reduces free tier from 15GB to 5GB >Never trust the cloud, it will always stab you in the back... eventually Posted this before, got downvoted... ...posting this again, and will probably get downvoted again... Seriously people, suck it up and run your own shit if it matters at all

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