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Tesla Intrigue Deepens with Musk's Twitter Barrage

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Re: Tesla Intrigue Deepens with Musk's Twitter Barrage

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Post by VLM »

Laaw wrote: post #19
yoodenvranx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, can it be anything other than full autonomous? There is no way that autonomous driving is going to work in most small European town and villages. There are so many downtowns which were never meant to be used by car and it is already difficult to navigate those places as a human. I just don't see how this should work over here in Europe. Selfdriving on the highway or in a typical suburban sprawl in th…

Why? What specifically is hard about narrow streets? That actually sounds like the kind of thing a self driving car could excel at. The bigger problem, is imagine, would be weather. I dunno how completely they've solved that problem yet.

When a human messes up its a cheap accident, just bad human judgment call number one billion.

When a self driving car messes up it'll be a very expensive lawsuit for pain and suffering and psychological trauma of not being in control while the accident unfolds and surely its all the mfgrs fault for having a software bug.

Its not so much the physical characteristics of being narrow as being a location where many accidents happen compared to an interstate-class road.

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Post by jacquesm »

vvanders wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also absolutely irrelevant for normal driving. 0 to 100 km / h in 10 seconds or even more is perfectly acceptable, and lower accelerations are actually better for the range.

Having the ability to tap into faster acceleration doesn't hurt range, in fact with dual motors it you can actually have a faster car that is more efficient. One of the motors is turned off when not needed so you can run essentially half-power and yet still have the second one available in a split second.

Fast acceleration (not the ability, but the actual acceleration) does use more power, it's just not as bad a difference as it would be with an ICE.

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Post by sschueller »

grecy wrote: post #3

Unveil part 2 is "super next-level". And the "steering controls and system feels like a spaceship" And Musk tweeted a little while ago about getting a special team of Software Engineers reporting directly to him for self-driving that was "top priority" within the company. And there are no gauges directly in front of the driver at all, which has been confirmed to be like that for production. At this point, can it be a…

If the DOT approves this car it will not because it is safe. There is a reason cars have proper dials and buttons.

The current model S is already problematic. I have had drivers adjusting their AC almost hit other drivers because they had to look down.

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Post by joantune »

NickM wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #3

Unveil part 2 is "super next-level". And the "steering controls and system feels like a spaceship" And Musk tweeted a little while ago about getting a special team of Software Engineers reporting directly to him for self-driving that was "top priority" within the company. And there are no gauges directly in front of the driver at all, which has been confirmed to be like that for production. At this point, can it be a…

It seems impossible that they could have it be fully autonomous to the point of not needing a steering wheel though. You can tell an autonomous car "take me to the mall", or "pull out of the garage", but there are so many edge cases that seem like they would still require manual control. How do you tell it which spot to pick in a parking garage? Or how do you tell it to, say, drive on to a lift while inside a buildin…

What do you mean? Automatic parking comes before self driving. Google's cars already do all of that https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/reports/

They don't use GPS for driving, perhaps general orientation, they use cameras and LASER based RADARs (called LIDARs)

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Post by cptskippy »

danielhooper wrote: post #17
mattlutze wrote: post #12

I'm hoping we'll indeed see some tweaks to the nose -- it looks like a blank waiting for a cut-out to fit a grill and will leave the car feeling nearly-finished if it stays that way for production. Only bit that wasn't really a home run for me (for a pre-production, anyways). But otherwise... shooting for autonomous-first at launch will be interesting indeed. How would that effect the opinions of the folks now on the…

Agreed, the nose design bothers me. Looks unfinished.

Form follows function, the grill's functions primarily as an air scoop for the radiator to cool the engine. It's unnecessary and thus eliminated.

It's definitely unusual and I'm leaning more towards disliking it at the moment but I can see that removing it would eliminate drag.

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Post by vvanders »

sschueller wrote: post #43
grecy wrote: post #3

Unveil part 2 is "super next-level". And the "steering controls and system feels like a spaceship" And Musk tweeted a little while ago about getting a special team of Software Engineers reporting directly to him for self-driving that was "top priority" within the company. And there are no gauges directly in front of the driver at all, which has been confirmed to be like that for production. At this point, can it be a…

If the DOT approves this car it will not because it is safe. There is a reason cars have proper dials and buttons. The current model S is already problematic. I have had drivers adjusting their AC almost hit other drivers because they had to look down.

Good thing you can assign the AC to the steering wheel on the Model S, disaster avoided!

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Post by jameshart »

macintux wrote: post #34
wmeredith wrote: post #27

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Eh, you may be defeating your own argument there. The main reason that front-wheel drive is better in slick conditions is more weight over the wheels in the typical front engined car. Rear wheel drive may actually be better if the battery pack is sitting on top of it.

That surprises me, given my extensive experience pushing shopping carts vs pulling them.

Since you don't push your shopping cart by turning the wheels, those intuitions are probably not that helpful. The force you exert on the handle of a shopping cart is not automatically aligned with the direction the cart is facing, meaning it's unstable - any deviation from a direct push generates a turning torque. But the rear wheels of a car are fixed so they will always generate a forward force aligned with the car's axis, never a turning motion (diffs and grip variance across the axle aside).

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Post by S_A_P »

So I watched the Model 3 unveil. I found it to be pretty awful. I had seen Musk unveil the battery swap, and felt that he looked way more polished than he did in the Model 3 unveil. The reveal kind of stressed me out the way he was stammering over the words. It seemed as though he had either not practiced the script, not written one, or had a bout of stage fright. He really didnt "sell" the car. Just said yes its going to be great and gave 3-4 bullet points on features. It was not something that I would compare to any apple product reveal by any stretch.
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