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Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many people in US buy iPhone at full price? Everybody. Anybody who doesn't is buying it on credit. They're still paying the full price (and then some).

Installment plans are recent trend isn't it. I see previously it was 2 year contracts for 199 etc. emi are common in India as well. Apple could have done the same in India.

Before Apple offered installments plans, US carriers were offering them. Do Indian carriers do the same?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

This sort of policy mostly harms India itself and doesn't affect the west that much so there's not much point us calling it out. It's stuff like this that keeps India at around 130 on the Human Development Index, a little above the Republic of Congo in spite of having people bright enough to come and run Microsoft. Go protectionism and bureaucracy!

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I think Apple would have to have a highly backwards compatible and modular iOS for that to even make sense. I have an old iPhone 4 running iOS 6, and I don't think it passes for a useable device. Apple could make the latest iOS backwards compatible, and find ways to reduce computing requirements by omitting functional or visual features, but that would completely counter the current artificial obsolescence tactics. I…

I don't see how Apple adding another option is "unfair".

Adding an additional choice for consumers in a market rarely harms those consumers. (An iPhone 4 isn't mass-produced cigarettes.)

Restricting choice for consumers in a market far more often harms them.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

Being an Indian I can also get work outsourced to a developer in a foreign country without having to pay any duty. There are many companies in India that also employ foreign nationals. How can you compare import/export of physical goods with import/export of services/labor? Both are different.

EDIT: Also you are assuming Apple does not have retail stores in India. In fact there are multiple Apple stores in every city in India. There are many who own Apple products but there are many more who purchase Sony/Samsung/Micromax/Karbonn etc as they tend to be less expensive. None of the other companies use India as a dumping ground for second hand phones. Why should Apple be any different?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Installment plans are recent trend isn't it. I see previously it was 2 year contracts for 199 etc. emi are common in India as well. Apple could have done the same in India.

Before Apple offered installments plans, US carriers were offering them. Do Indian carriers do the same?

The sales model is pretty different.

In India, you'll typically buy your phone outright based on what features you're looking for (Dual SIM, OS version, Storage, etc). Hence manufacturers/retailers typically offer a EMI plan for top-end phones (think Samsung S7, Apple iPhone 6, etc) since the outright cost is quite high.

Then you'll decide which carrier you want to use based on the tariffs they're offering (Voice Calls, data, SMS, etc.)

Although carriers do offer phones with their plans, it's rarely ever bought in that manner.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

Being an Indian I can also get work outsourced to a developer in a foreign country without having to pay any duty. There are many companies in India that also employ foreign nationals. How can you compare import/export of physical goods with import/export of services/labor? Both are different. EDIT: Also you are assuming Apple does not have retail stores in India. In fact there are multiple Apple stores in every city…

> dumping ground for second hand phones

Why the negative phrasing? What is wrong with reuse? Would it be any difference if the phones were new? Is it an environmental issue?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being an Indian I can also get work outsourced to a developer in a foreign country without having to pay any duty. There are many companies in India that also employ foreign nationals. How can you compare import/export of physical goods with import/export of services/labor? Both are different. EDIT: Also you are assuming Apple does not have retail stores in India. In fact there are multiple Apple stores in every city…

> dumping ground for second hand phones Why the negative phrasing? What is wrong with reuse? Would it be any difference if the phones were new? Is it an environmental issue?

Personally, I don't think this is going to happen with these Apple phones. (Although I'd be interested to see what happens with security updates; and how easy they are to use with local languages.)

But.

There have been considerable environmental problems with companies dumping e-waste on developing world countries.

Sometimes this e-waste is described as "used, low cost computing equipment", sometimes it's described as "recyclable waste".

Either of those sound fine. When I hear them I think of a small local co-op fixing the computers and installing free software and distributing them to schools or whatnot. Or of people dismantling and sorting the stuff, and recycling for cash.

What actually happens is something like the e-waste dump in Agbogbloshie, Accra, Ghana.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sch78

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/dec/14/to...

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Mind elaborating ? If you should be for free trade, should you also not be fro free exchange of labor ?

Really? It's pretty obvious. If you're working in another country, you're not spending money on tax, rent, food, utilities, etc. in your home country, you're spending them in the host country. Most of your income is spent in the host country. For your own example, most H1Bs want to live and spend their money in the US, not send money back home. So it's actually a terrible 'trade' for the originating country, they los…

Also adding to that most of the intelligent people who are moving out and settling else would have studied with governments money from premium institutions

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being an Indian I can also get work outsourced to a developer in a foreign country without having to pay any duty. There are many companies in India that also employ foreign nationals. How can you compare import/export of physical goods with import/export of services/labor? Both are different. EDIT: Also you are assuming Apple does not have retail stores in India. In fact there are multiple Apple stores in every city…

> dumping ground for second hand phones Why the negative phrasing? What is wrong with reuse? Would it be any difference if the phones were new? Is it an environmental issue?

If Apple can come with a solution for recycling these second hand phones I'm all ears. So far there is no word on that issue. We already have a lot of e-waste in the country as it is. Adding more to it will cause serious environmental hazards.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

In other words, India is trying to look after its own interests instead of being 'fair'.

Is there any country that doesn't do that?

Note: I'm not commenting on whether or not this practice will actually work for India in the long run

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