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Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Foreign policy is not decided based on consistency. Every democratic government has a responsibility to defend it's own citizen's interests. USA does this also, it wants free trade when it wants to export goods and services to other nations but opposes it when it comes to importing labor ( H1B VISA cap etc ). This is not evil, it is this competition between nations that improves standard of living for people everywhe…

Labor is not trade.

Mind elaborating ? If you should be for free trade, should you also not be fro free exchange of labor ?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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I think Apple would have to have a highly backwards compatible and modular iOS for that to even make sense. I have an old iPhone 4 running iOS 6, and I don't think it passes for a useable device. Apple could make the latest iOS backwards compatible, and find ways to reduce computing requirements by omitting functional or visual features, but that would completely counter the current artificial obsolescence tactics. It's unfair to offload those to a developing market, until they decide to support a greater fragmentation of the platform.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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I understand India's desire to push for local manufacturing, and some of this is all just a bunch of theater dancing around that issue. Meanwhile, the Bloomberg article does a good job of letting us read between the lines about the vested interests in keeping Apple out -- > “The millions of imported used phones will need their batteries replaced. What will happen to those batteries, where will they go?” asked Sunil V…

If a new phone is sold in India, its Indian owner benefits from the entire multi-year lifespan of the battery before it has to be disposed of. If a used phone is imported from the US to India, its battery will be nearing the end of its life - most of the benefit of that battery goes to the original American owner, but the disposal costs are dumped on India. From this perspective, it's a way for the developed world to…

"If a used phone is imported from the US to India, its battery will be nearing the end of its life - most of the benefit of that battery goes to the original American owner, but the disposal costs are dumped on India."

If it is a refurbished model with a new battery that won't be the case. I have had refurbished Apple stuff in the past and those things were indistinguishable from new devices and yes that included the battery.

I've I read correctly that a company like Samsung is a member of one the organisations that are complaining, I think there are other stakes at play then the green card. Especially when a company like Apple is involved. There is a lot to be critical about, but they tend to do their best in those departments.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

Foreign policy is not decided based on consistency. Every democratic government has a responsibility to defend it's own citizen's interests. USA does this also, it wants free trade when it wants to export goods and services to other nations but opposes it when it comes to importing labor ( H1B VISA cap etc ). This is not evil, it is this competition between nations that improves standard of living for people everywhe…

Opposes the importation of labor? Inspite of importing more high-end labor than almost any other country? How can they be opposed to it?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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There's something deeply contradictory in India's attitude. For imports (including setting up supermarkets in India) there are levys, laws and regulations to make it almost impossible for foreign companies. But then India is able to export its IT professionals and outsourcing across the whole world. Is this really a level playing field? Why is no one calling this out as foul play? India seems to want one rule for whe…

I understand what you are saying, but I think it is not true. Being an Indian and having lived there for 30+ years, I can hardly list any major international brand in any industry which isn't selling something there. Also all the big international brands are also big Indian brands, most people do not even care that they are not Indian owned brands. So yes, huge amounts of foreign brands sell in India, but perhaps wit…

"We shall not entertain foreign direct investment in multibrand retail. There is no ambiguity or confusion on this. The same applies to e-commerce," the minister said in a news conference.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/india-wont-allow-foreign-investm...

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Labor is not trade.

Mind elaborating ? If you should be for free trade, should you also not be fro free exchange of labor ?

Really? It's pretty obvious.

If you're working in another country, you're not spending money on tax, rent, food, utilities, etc. in your home country, you're spending them in the host country. Most of your income is spent in the host country. For your own example, most H1Bs want to live and spend their money in the US, not send money back home.

So it's actually a terrible 'trade' for the originating country, they lose skilled workers to the US, workers they paid to train and educate, for nothing in return.

What's the 'trade' you talk of? Labor is not trade because what does the home country get out of it?

Free trade is a completely different kettle of fish to free labor markets.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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> The group’s members [who opposed Apple's application] include the largest Indian phone brands: Micromax, Intex and Samsung. Ah.

Meh. Apple is asking to be treated like a special snowflake in this case, caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones.

>caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones.

Yeah, and look where that got them. From near bankruptcy in 1997 to being only the most valuable (or in top 3 depending on when you look/how you measure) of companies on the planet.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind elaborating ? If you should be for free trade, should you also not be fro free exchange of labor ?

Really? It's pretty obvious. If you're working in another country, you're not spending money on tax, rent, food, utilities, etc. in your home country, you're spending them in the host country. Most of your income is spent in the host country. For your own example, most H1Bs want to live and spend their money in the US, not send money back home. So it's actually a terrible 'trade' for the originating country, they los…

Everything you say also applies to foreign trade of goods or capital with just a little tweaking. Would you consider it "trade" when capital flows out the country, builds facilities in a foreign country, employs people in the foreign country, sells goods to people in the foreign country, and then stores most of the profit in the foreign country?

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind elaborating ? If you should be for free trade, should you also not be fro free exchange of labor ?

Really? It's pretty obvious. If you're working in another country, you're not spending money on tax, rent, food, utilities, etc. in your home country, you're spending them in the host country. Most of your income is spent in the host country. For your own example, most H1Bs want to live and spend their money in the US, not send money back home. So it's actually a terrible 'trade' for the originating country, they los…

Remittances from emigrants account for ~4% of India's GDP.

Re: Apple's Push to Flood India with Used iPhones Ignites Backlash

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A strangely-biased article, starting with the headline. But setting aside the concerns of the companies opposing this for obvious reasons, this is a really great idea. Consumers in poorer countries get the opportunity to buy used, high-end devices supported by the manufacturer, and those devices get another consumer cycle's worth of reuse before they get recycled. Plus Apple can now reach a large new segment of custo…

Or they can price it according to the market. How many people in US buy iPhone at full price? Most mobiles are sold at full price in India.

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