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Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#102I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…
There is absolutely no basis for arguing .net being behind Java, JVM or the ecosystem by 20 years. I am sure you are conflating the library advantage that Java has enjoyed. .Net is clearly going to give Java ecosystem fits in less than 5 years.
Oracle is clearly doing all it can to close the gap with all the FUD but it might not be enough to help .NET because for what it is worth in my opinion, Microsoft appears inconsistent.
Are they betting the farm on Azure yet? Do they still see Windows as a profit center? Can they afford to give away developer tools for free as in free beer with no strings attached? Can they give away everything I'd need to run an Azure stack without paying them a single cent? I don't know but if they can't, I don't see how we can get Java teams and projects to switch over. Microsoft has a lot of cash but they don't have unlimited cash and it sort of matters in the long term. I hope the answers to the questions are yes. I wish Microsoft became to Windows what Red Hat is to Linux but as they say if wishes were fishes...
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#103It would be amazing to see a Microsoft GNU/Linux distro in the future. To be honest it wouldn't exactly be hard for Microsoft to do. Take a Debian base, add whatever bits they need to make sure it works nicely in Azure, have an official Microsoft apt repo and they are done. I actually think it will happen. It makes sense for Microsoft to have an official Linux distro that they can offer true support for.
The current iteration of Windows 10 tries to abstract away hardware under a higher level "Windows" layer and mostly get rid of variation between windows for embedded, mobile, and Intel platforms. With the new Bash/Ubuntu feature, I think Windows is moving on to abstract away the operating system. My wild-ass prediction for a Microsoft Linux distribution is one in which Microsoft Windows replaces X-windows. Wayland is…
> perceived security vulnerabilities of X-windows' architecture.
I wouldn't really call them perceived, they're really really major. Sharing uncleared video memory across processes can expose a lot.
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#104I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…
Oracle doesn't care what you think at all, good or bad. If you hate them, they undermine you by making you sound like a bumpkin. If you love them, they undermine you by using you as a spy. They influence your CEO/CIO/board/governor/mayor/general/owner/investor. A few years back, they convinced some dope in the State of California to buy a named user license for every resident of the state.
That makes no sense. With about 40 million residents, the government of California would need to have approximately 1.6 million CPU cores dedicated to Oracle before named-user worked out cheaper than per-core licensing. Either that or there's a special deal unrelated to Oracle's normal licensing price list, in which case who cares what the licensing metric is?
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
The web as envisioned early on by Netscape was supposed to have apps much sooner than it did. Once Microsoft swept aside Netscape by killing their business it basically froze development on IE. They made one mistake: XMLHttpRequest (probably the last big feature added to IE before the freeze) and we got lucky with Firefox.
Netscape's vision was java applets though, right? The only thing I can remember that was worse in a browser than Flash. Perhaps we owe Microsoft some thanks.
ActiveX.
Don't ever let yourself forget ActiveX.
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The web as envisioned early on by Netscape was supposed to have apps much sooner than it did. Once Microsoft swept aside Netscape by killing their business it basically froze development on IE. They made one mistake: XMLHttpRequest (probably the last big feature added to IE before the freeze) and we got lucky with Firefox.
Netscape's vision was java applets though, right? The only thing I can remember that was worse in a browser than Flash. Perhaps we owe Microsoft some thanks.
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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#107Im just imagining the Linus smile nowadays. This is a really impressive achievement comparing with the Microsoft and the Linux of the nineties. I remember creating dial-up internet provider in the nineties using Linux, and all the prejudice the IT people have towards it. "Eww, you are using Linux? here.. i have a Solaris for you" or : "Why dont you just use NT 4?"
Well Solaris has always been a technically superior OS, but the userland was unfriendly compared to Linux.
I suspect the impression of Solaris' superiority is colored by the low ratio of users to impressive blog posts.
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#108Im just imagining the Linus smile nowadays. This is a really impressive achievement comparing with the Microsoft and the Linux of the nineties. I remember creating dial-up internet provider in the nineties using Linux, and all the prejudice the IT people have towards it. "Eww, you are using Linux? here.. i have a Solaris for you" or : "Why dont you just use NT 4?"
Well Solaris has always been a technically superior OS, but the userland was unfriendly compared to Linux.
Specially back than, of course, but back in the day, we wouldnt be able to afford for a Solaris and consulting(i didnt know how to manage one) giving our small size, and, i dont know how it was in the US, but in Brazil it was something really expensive.
Im saying this more in the light of what Linux was considered back then, and what it is right now.. In that time a OS maded by a "bunch of hippies" were something people used to laugh about, and people that use it like me were also mocked because of it, because of the seroius money and industry involved in other solutions.. while Linux was the OS of the "looser".
We live in a completely different world now, thanks specially to Linus, Stallman, and all the other people we wouldnt be able to name.
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#109What I'm curious about: Isn't Oracle Linux mostly a joke of a copy-cat distribution? Apart from them acquiring Ksplice and possibly delaying ksplice-like functionality in SuSe and RedHat a couple of years, isn't Oracle Linux mostly just an excuse to drain Oracle users for OS license money for those that don't want to be constrained by limited hardware support in Solaris? I guess what I'm asking, why would Microsoft w…
my 5c as an ex-oracle employee (disclaimer: I worked in Linux Support and Ksplice tools dev):
- Oracle Linux is a base copy of Redhat plus additional things to integrate better with Oracle products, it was a bad move against Redhat, but beneficial for Oracle purposes.
- Ksplice: most of people misunderstood the real work of it. Don't blame Oracle for acquire it, somebody sell it and it was always a private technology meaning 'patents involved'. Note that the real work happens when making "the patches" and making sure they are backward compatible, including different architectures. So the real purpose was to provide a service that nobody could provide before. note: As of today you can use Ksplice for free in Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
- Why Microsoft would want Wim ?, In my opinion because they need someone who had successfully built Linux into a Line of Business, from a business perspective it sounds a good deal. As of today I don't think Oracle truly supports Open Source, not sure what are the plans for Wim on that area at Microsoft.
Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Netscape's vision was java applets though, right? The only thing I can remember that was worse in a browser than Flash. Perhaps we owe Microsoft some thanks.
ActiveX. Don't ever let yourself forget ActiveX.
XMLHTTP was originally an ActiveX technology, though, from the Outlook team; it wasn't originally developed as part of IE. I guess it wasn't until Mozilla and Apple added a native version that it really took off.