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Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by devonkim »

diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

There's a handful of Fortune 100s I've seen that are on Oracle Linux. They've mostly gotten deals through their existing relationships with Oracle and/or Sun. These places have typically been heavy on both Solaris / SunOS as well as on Oracle. Trying to develop a new relationship with RedHat to that level would not have been possible politically, so Oracle Linux it is.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by calgoo »

Its funny that my first reaction to the title was: Ugh he comes from Oracle, he is a leach that will try to destroy everything that is good! Then I read the article and it actually looks like he is a Open Source supporter etc.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by mynameisvlad »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #81
bithush wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same as using Red Hat's Linux. You get a well supported environment. If you are a Linux shop but want to run on Azure then it makes sense, to me anyway, to go with the best supported OS on that platform. I love Linux and while I also have some nagging negative thoughts about Microsoft getting so cosy with the Linux world, I also can't pretend I wouldn't be super excited to run a Microsoft Linux on my dev machine…

>can't pretend I wouldn't be super excited to run a Microsoft Linux on my dev machine Seeing as MS is basically a branch of the NSA I'm not excited about that at all. I might be slightly excited if MS went open source and allowed people to include their tools in other distros, but the NSA would never allow that.

Which is why http://github.com/microsoft (and dotnet, and azure) doesn't exist, right?

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by robterrell »

Spooky23 wrote: post #59
diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

Oracle doesn't care what you think at all, good or bad. If you hate them, they undermine you by making you sound like a bumpkin. If you love them, they undermine you by using you as a spy. They influence your CEO/CIO/board/governor/mayor/general/owner/investor. A few years back, they convinced some dope in the State of California to buy a named user license for every resident of the state.

More info please. I'm a resident of CA. I have a named Oracle seat paid for by the state? How do I get my login credentials???

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by PeCaN »

brudgers wrote: post #38
bithush wrote: post #2

It would be amazing to see a Microsoft GNU/Linux distro in the future. To be honest it wouldn't exactly be hard for Microsoft to do. Take a Debian base, add whatever bits they need to make sure it works nicely in Azure, have an official Microsoft apt repo and they are done. I actually think it will happen. It makes sense for Microsoft to have an official Linux distro that they can offer true support for.

The current iteration of Windows 10 tries to abstract away hardware under a higher level "Windows" layer and mostly get rid of variation between windows for embedded, mobile, and Intel platforms. With the new Bash/Ubuntu feature, I think Windows is moving on to abstract away the operating system. My wild-ass prediction for a Microsoft Linux distribution is one in which Microsoft Windows replaces X-windows. Wayland is…

What would they gain though? NT is a pretty good kernel with very broad hardware support.

If anything, they'd just make NT fully POSIX-compliant. They'd get the same benefit with a fraction of the effort of porting Windows-the-GUI to Linux.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by RyJones »

vram22 wrote: post #84
adamnemecek wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not linux but close https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix

Yes, MS has been involved with Unix from much before the recent moves. Possibly a less known fact to some.

They even shipped IE for Solaris in the 90s!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by tambourine_man »

Eridrus wrote: post #87
diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

> Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-day backend operations running cross platform (which is mostly Linux, but Windows as well).…

Or appreciating good ideas, being excited with them and bored with the old ways.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by sremani »

diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

There is absolutely no basis for arguing .net being behind Java, JVM or the ecosystem by 20 years. I am sure you are conflating the library advantage that Java has enjoyed. .Net is clearly going to give Java ecosystem fits in less than 5 years.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by hoodoof »

diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

>> MS is lagging behind the Java ecosystem by 20 years

This statement lacks credibility.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

PeCaN wrote: post #95
brudgers wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current iteration of Windows 10 tries to abstract away hardware under a higher level "Windows" layer and mostly get rid of variation between windows for embedded, mobile, and Intel platforms. With the new Bash/Ubuntu feature, I think Windows is moving on to abstract away the operating system. My wild-ass prediction for a Microsoft Linux distribution is one in which Microsoft Windows replaces X-windows. Wayland is…

What would they gain though? NT is a pretty good kernel with very broad hardware support. If anything, they'd just make NT fully POSIX-compliant. They'd get the same benefit with a fraction of the effort of porting Windows-the-GUI to Linux.

> What would they gain?

Long term deprecation of their work force? Reduction in operating costs?

Why pay people to support / extend a kernel / hardware drivers when Linus will do it for free?

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