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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Spooky23 wrote: post #59
diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

Oracle doesn't care what you think at all, good or bad. If you hate them, they undermine you by making you sound like a bumpkin. If you love them, they undermine you by using you as a spy. They influence your CEO/CIO/board/governor/mayor/general/owner/investor. A few years back, they convinced some dope in the State of California to buy a named user license for every resident of the state.

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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by robotresearcher »

SiVal wrote: post #48
therein wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they wouldn't just toss away millions of lines of kernel code.

They've done it before, when they replaced the foundation under DOS/Win3/Win95/Win98/WinMe line with WinNT, and Apple did it when they replaced the foundation under MacOS 1-9 with NextStep and called in OS X. Apple's non-unix line endings (CR) changed to LF, their non-unix path delimiter (:) changed to /, and they were suddenly a major force among non-Apple-targeting developers who had always derided the Mac as a "to…

In both the pre-WinNT and pre-OS X cases, the OS they discarded was seriously dated and lacking important functionality. Whether you like Windows or not, it's neither of those things. It also has spectacular backwards compatibility that would very tough to lose.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by x5n1 »

diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

I begrudgingly watch these games, and I hate all the ooohhhs and aahhhs at stupid Microsoft integrations with Linux. But this too shall pass. If Microsoft was to put out a free version of Windows say Windows Developer Edition, I would happily dual boot to it. That's my #1 gripe with Windows their shit licensing schemes and activations.

Other than that, this does not make me happy. All this embrace extend extinguish is not going to play with me. But I know a lot of younger developers, just starting out, will be taken away by it rather than properly switching to Linux or other *nix as they should. But what can you do about that.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by johannes1234321 »

e12e wrote: post #47

What I'm curious about: Isn't Oracle Linux mostly a joke of a copy-cat distribution? Apart from them acquiring Ksplice and possibly delaying ksplice-like functionality in SuSe and RedHat a couple of years, isn't Oracle Linux mostly just an excuse to drain Oracle users for OS license money for those that don't want to be constrained by limited hardware support in Solaris? I guess what I'm asking, why would Microsoft w…

Oracle has a few extra patches in their kernel. They also created bttrfs. Maybe also other things.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by JonathonW »

SiVal wrote: post #48
therein wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they wouldn't just toss away millions of lines of kernel code.

They've done it before, when they replaced the foundation under DOS/Win3/Win95/Win98/WinMe line with WinNT, and Apple did it when they replaced the foundation under MacOS 1-9 with NextStep and called in OS X. Apple's non-unix line endings (CR) changed to LF, their non-unix path delimiter (:) changed to /, and they were suddenly a major force among non-Apple-targeting developers who had always derided the Mac as a "to…

Both Windows 9x and classic Mac OS were fundamentally missing features relative to the alternatives at the time, though-- especially classic Mac OS, which (as of OS 9) still lacked proper preemptive multitasking and protected memory (for those who don't remember that era, this was a huge disadvantage in terms of stability and reliability, even compared to 95/98/Me which were roughly contemporaneous).

Current-generation Windows doesn't really have any such flaws-- the underlying kernel seems to be pretty sound, the hardware driver ecosystem around it is the most complete and robust of any mainstream OS, and they seem to be showing now that they can adapt to developer demands without doing something drastic. There's no real compelling reason that I can see for Microsoft to make a transition to Linux (or BSD, if the GPL is too toxic).

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by dantiberian »

diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

I think this is one of the destructive legacies of Internet Explorer. Many web developers (including myself) got fed up with IE, and that rage transferred onto Microsoft.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by oscargrouch »

Im just imagining the Linus smile nowadays.

This is a really impressive achievement comparing with the Microsoft and the Linux of the nineties.

I remember creating dial-up internet provider in the nineties using Linux, and all the prejudice the IT people have towards it.

"Eww, you are using Linux? here.. i have a Solaris for you" or : "Why dont you just use NT 4?"

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

dantiberian wrote: post #66
diebir wrote: post #54

I highly doubt these Linux games will amount to much for Microsoft, but it's fun to watch. Their fundamental problem is (which they realize pretty well i seems) that they have lost developer's mind share. .NET may be a fine ecosystem and C# may be a great language but in all practical senses it is Windows-only. All these Mono/open source CLR games are not even the slightest blip on the radar for a practical day-to-da…

I think this is one of the destructive legacies of Internet Explorer. Many web developers (including myself) got fed up with IE, and that rage transferred onto Microsoft.

They intentionally tried to destroy the web, because it didn't suit their monopoly. That rage was well and truly earned by Microsoft.
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