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Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by toyg »

vostok wrote: post #13
toyg wrote: post #6

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They could use it as stepping stone for businesses heavily invested on Linux or already having a mix of Linux and Windows: "we guarantee this is the best Linux distribution for compatibility with MS tech (Msad, powershell, Azure, mono etc etc)".

I don't know how appealing that is. Even from a GUI perspective, moving from Linux to Windows is such a huge step backwards. I have to keep an eye on a whole bunch of things at work so I only run a Windows box for one or two pieces of software. This box takes up less than 25% of my screen real estate. Every window on the Linux box is automatically placed and I usually have to put in literally no effort. On the Window…

I think most businesses won't ever consider Linux from a desktop perspective, we are talking servers and backoffice.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by osweiller »

bithush wrote: post #12
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #9

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Taking back market share from Mac users. Especially among developers.

This. I would be very interested in running Microsoft Linux instead of Ubuntu on a physical dev box. With .NET Core, ASP.NET, etc. having an MS proper Linux would be great. Something along the lines of "We officially support development with ASP.NET, .NET Core, Mono, etc. on Microsoft Linux for deployment to Azure Microsoft Linux instances".

Your last paragraph betrays that you completely misunderstand the Linux platform, cloud platforms, or how Microsoft can succeed. What you described would literally be the death knell for all of Microsoft's recent initiatives, and goes in exactly the opposite direction of their movements.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by cowardlydragon »

With cores galore, there is no reason that an OS couldn't be developed that couldn't do high performance Linux + Windows binary compatible program execution virtually (ha) seamlessly.

Microsoft could be the perfect company to do this... and sweep up OSX compatibility at the same time. DOSBox/Bochs can handle legacy emulation...

But they're too stupid to do that, as in ignorance...

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by bithush »

osweiller wrote: post #20
bithush wrote: post #10

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The same as using Red Hat's Linux. You get a well supported environment. If you are a Linux shop but want to run on Azure then it makes sense, to me anyway, to go with the best supported OS on that platform. I love Linux and while I also have some nagging negative thoughts about Microsoft getting so cosy with the Linux world, I also can't pretend I wouldn't be super excited to run a Microsoft Linux on my dev machine…

I don't think there is a widespread "nagging negative thoughts" about Microsoft working with Linux. That isn't where the skepticism comes from. Azure, like all other cloud providers, fully supports and functions with all mainstream Linux distros (indeed, the Linux kernel includes a large number of kernel contributions from Microsoft, particularly around hypervisor support). When you conjecture about some synergy betw…

I come from the Microsoft of the 90s where they followed their Embrace, Extend, Extinguish methodology. My "nagging negative thoughts" all stem from those memories.

As for dev machine/cloud machine conjecture, I just mean I would like to have a consistent experience between what I develop on and what I deploy too. It isn't a huge deal, just nice to have more than anything.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by marcosdumay »

revelation wrote: post #4
diskcat wrote: post #3

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What would be the point of using microsoft's linux?

The same as using a lot of the other Microsoft stuff: you can pay and have someone fix $problem on a deterministic timescale. You can upgrade without having to fear your production system will come crashing down.

> you can pay and have someone fix $problem on a deterministic timescale

Really? When did MS start fixing bugs for their paying customers in a deterministic timescale?

The point about upgrades may be good, but MS has started breaking things on update recently too.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by bithush »

osweiller wrote: post #22
bithush wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I would be very interested in running Microsoft Linux instead of Ubuntu on a physical dev box. With .NET Core, ASP.NET, etc. having an MS proper Linux would be great. Something along the lines of "We officially support development with ASP.NET, .NET Core, Mono, etc. on Microsoft Linux for deployment to Azure Microsoft Linux instances".

Your last paragraph betrays that you completely misunderstand the Linux platform, cloud platforms, or how Microsoft can succeed. What you described would literally be the death knell for all of Microsoft's recent initiatives, and goes in exactly the opposite direction of their movements.

How so? Microsoft want to support everything they can on Azure. That is just sensible business IMHO.

However there are businesses out there who like to work in a single vendor system as much as they can. I have no doubt that Microsoft will come out with their own Linux distro in the next 2-3 years. They don't need too, but they also didn't need to do lots of the things they have done recently.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by therein »

wslh wrote: post #17
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #15

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I posted my prediction over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11388418 > I think eventually, we'll see Windows transform into a Linux distro with a Windows UI.

Windows [kernel] is a very advanced operating system with an incredible wide support for third party drivers. I think the prediction would be more oriented to running them side by side.

Yeah they wouldn't just toss away millions of lines of kernel code.

Re: Head of Oracle Linux Moves to Microsoft

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Post by Karunamon »

therein wrote: post #28
wslh wrote: post #17

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Windows [kernel] is a very advanced operating system with an incredible wide support for third party drivers. I think the prediction would be more oriented to running them side by side.

Yeah they wouldn't just toss away millions of lines of kernel code.

I recall reading somewhere (can't find it for beans now) that the Windows kernel was a huge mess codewise since many of the original developers have moved on and poor to nonexistent documentation was left, meaning that the modern employees had to basically reverse engineer a lot of the code.

Take this with a grain of salt, of course.

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