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MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

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Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

#11
I can totally agree on this.

About a month ago, I was buying a new ultrabook, and MacBook Air was an obvious choice. Obvious, until I saw it's price. It's way too overpriced for what it offers. The battery life is fine, but other than that, nothing. I mean, c'mon, 4gb of RAM and an Intel Core i5 processor is sufficient for a modern day laptop? MacBook Pro is not better in any aspect, as well.

Finally, I ended up with a Dell Latitude (E7250) with 16gb of RAM and a lot better i7 processor, for about twice less money. And guess what, the battery also holds roughly 9 hours, but RAM processing power difference is huge, especially in my line of work. I could even install a Hackintosh on my machine and get all of the OSX goodness for half the price.

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

#13
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touchscreens are a BS feature for laptops. Our hands where not made to be used a pointers held at those angles. Nobody uses their Wintel laptops that way either, even when they have the feature. Now if you're talking about detachable screens, that could be the case. But there are tablets for that, that are even more convenient and specialized to long term use in that way.

Agreed, I watch these stupid MS commercials where they are using the touchscreen on the laptop and it's SOOO gimmicky. No one really does that. I completely agree on the detachable screen though, of course at that point get an iPad Pro (for certain workloads)....

I have a touchscreen Toshiba Radius and by far use the touchscreen more than I ever expected to. In fact, it's rare that I use the trackpad any more.

I'm writing this comment on my 8-month-old MacBookPro11,5 with 16 gigs of ram and 1TB SSD drive. I've had 3 brand new MacBook Pros from 2011, 2013, and 2015. The lack of continued innovation on this platform is really starting to show its age.

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

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> Apple’s computers need to go on a diet Yeah, not really. They are still among the thinnest/lightest on the market (and doubly so if one counts thinness AND durability, due to the unibody construction). Of course Apple WILL make them thinner/lighter in future revisions, but I for one, and many others, wish they didn't -- and instead just used the space for moar battery and such. > But six years is a very long time.…

Agree with you about the construction. A little over two years ago, I bought a Sony Vaio laptop for about $800. It was powerful enough, but I used it for about 5 months and had to go out and buy something else. It was heavy, the hinges started getting loose and creaking/showing wear. You had to really bang on the keyboard while typing, the entire thing was HEAVY, the trackpad would randomly freak out, and it was basically unusable without a mouse.

I went out and bought a $900 11" Macbook Air a few months later, and it was an absolute pleasure to use in comparison.

Now, I rarely use the Sony laptop -- the keys have started falling off (I gave up reattaching the 'z' key), the screen is "floppy," and I dread trying to right-click on things with the trackpad, but it's now a dedicated dev environment for my job, on days that I work from home. In comparison, my Macbook Air has gotten far more abuse. I toss it around, carry it in my purse, I've lost it under couch cushions -- it has a dent on the bottom from who-knows-where, but it still feels as nice to use as it did on Day 1.

The only time I've run into performance problems is when I'm running Eclipse + Tomcat + heavy MySQL load + some random Python scripts chugging away + ten billion tabs in Chrome. The baseline model 11" air is a little sluggish then :-p But really, I'd rather upgrade to a more expensive model, or pause execution on some things, or clean up my processes, and/or just offload processing to an EC2 instance than ever have to buy another crappy-feeling plastic laptop. It just makes an unbelievable amount of difference in day-to-day use that I don't think people give enough consideration to.

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

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No touchscreen is a sign of age.

Touchscreens are a BS feature for laptops. Our hands where not made to be used a pointers held at those angles. Nobody uses their Wintel laptops that way either, even when they have the feature. Now if you're talking about detachable screens, that could be the case. But there are tablets for that, that are even more convenient and specialized to long term use in that way.

It really depends on the person. If you're not using the keyboard much and you have the laptop on your lap, rather than on a desk, it can be useful. I have a touchscreen, but I never use it. I forget I even have it until I get water on the screen or accidentally touch it, and things start freaking out.

Someone did once say I wasn't a real programmer because I use the mouse too much (and the argument's sort of the same: It's hard to move your hands from the keyboard to the mouse! Why would you do that?), so, since then, I try not to judge people or machines for their preferred methods of user input. There's a market for everyone and to each their own!

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

#17
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No touchscreen is a sign of age.

Touchscreens are a BS feature for laptops. Our hands where not made to be used a pointers held at those angles. Nobody uses their Wintel laptops that way either, even when they have the feature. Now if you're talking about detachable screens, that could be the case. But there are tablets for that, that are even more convenient and specialized to long term use in that way.

You would be surprised. My Mum owns a Lenovo Yoga and she uses the touchscreen all the time - in laptop mode. She uses it often enough that when I show her an article on my (non touch) laptop, she tries to scroll using the screen.

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

#18
My 2004 Corolla is outdated, underpowered, and was "overpriced". It has 250,000 miles, and we use it every day without worrying about breakdowns. Likewise, I use my 2009 MacBook Pro every day without worrying about breakdowns [1]. Quality comes with a steep up-front price that pays you back with a long tail of value.

[1] The native Apple hardware has failed exactly once in the MacBook's lifetime (SATA cable)

Re: MacBooks are outdated, underpowered and overpriced

#20
As an Apple fan (but not a loyalist), I tend to agree. Over time, the lust for their products is starting to wane...

The lack of GPU power for the price is ludicrous. I love the OS and the design of the hardware, but it's such a trade off for graphics power. The CPUs don't seem to be all that bad, but probably could be better as well for the price.

They are too focused on thinness/lightness. I'd rather have a slightly thicker iMac or Macbook and higher-end parts.

Integrated GPUs (while much better than they used to be) have really overtaken Apple's lineup and it's disappointing, not to mention the inability to easily upgrade anything (not just an Apple problem, though)

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