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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by tychuz »

cyphar wrote: post #611
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #172

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Just out of curiosity, what does a Linux desktop offer that's not also natively offered in Mac and also highly polished? Every year I try a switch to Linux desktop. This year I made it as far as trying to get multiple monitors working well. I also dabbed in gaming. In the end I went back to my work=Mac game=Windows duopoly.

> Just out of curiosity, what does a Linux desktop offer that's not also natively offered in Mac and also highly polished? Freedom, a full GNU userland, proper package management of the entire system, plethora of CLI programs which can fulfil your every need and only really work on GNU/Linux, configurable, etc. > Every year I try a switch to Linux desktop. This year I made it as far as trying to get multiple monitors…

>Freedom People are not interested.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by kagamine »

creshal wrote: post #740
rkangel wrote: post #735

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Which at least partly because have become much more complex things. Complex systems with many electronic and mechanical systems interacting need complex tools to debug.

Only partly. There's no technical reason why you need to have 70 differently wired connectors to access the engine computer's UART port… and why they cost over a hundred dollars each.

Or why the error codes are kept secret from the user, resulting in only the dealership, not your local independent, being able to fix some things.

And also the requirement of specialist tools to do non-specialist jobs like set the engine timing, and then charging a lot for purchase of the tool. It will be interesting to see how serviceable electric cars become once they are old enough to start being parted out and the used market expands to those who 'just need something to go from A to B'.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by nxzero »

riotdash wrote: post #749
eertami wrote: post #743

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>I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple products in the future too as long as all of my personal data is not being broadcasted Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data. Are you trying to justify needlessly spending 600$ on a phone every year? That's your prerogative, you don't have to convince st…

"Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data." All systems have had and still have security flaws. There is a world of difference between having a unknown vulnerability (which affects and will affect all platforms) and intentionally spying on users and stealing their information.

All systems have flaws at some point, but not all systems equal in terms of exploitable value for the effort.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by nxzero »

It is possible this is the beginning of the end for Window and Linux too. Basically the strategy would be to get all the user to switch to a priority (aka propriety) version of Linux, much like Google has done with Android.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by hydromet »

badminton1 wrote: post #693
jupiter2 wrote: post #384

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Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

One aspect is the technology, another aspect are the values driving that technology, another aspect is the legal aspect. You are mixing them all and that's how the debate gets stuck into some neckbeard-limbo that nobody cares about. Society made a lot of progress when religion and state got decoupled from each other. There are some things that should be handled separately. What I have to say about this is: Technology…

Yes partycoder, it sure would be interesting to hear what "neckbeard" RMS has to say about this move by Microsoft today, would it not?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

nxzero wrote: post #764

It is possible this is the beginning of the end for Window and Linux too. Basically the strategy would be to get all the user to switch to a priority (aka propriety) version of Linux, much like Google has done with Android.

Canonical has been trying that for a long time, what with Ubuntu having a huge semi-proprietary code base not shared with any other distribution (Mir, Unity, own font rendering, Launpad/bzr for development, …).

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by hydromet »

badminton1 wrote: post #728
city41 wrote: post #588

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I think a key point that is being missed here is most of the people excited about this probably run OSX, not Linux. OSX has long been the "'Linux' for people who don't really want to run Linux" (not really meant as an insult, I'm typing this from OSX right now). Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here. FWIW, this excites me because it potentially means I can go from two machine…

Apple has contributed to key open source projects such as LLVM and WebKit. They have also open sourced Swift. They have identified the core of their business and they feel comfortable there. They get a 30% royalty for each App Store transaction, they make large profits selling iPhones and Macs. They monetize their software indirectly as a part of a larger end-to-end solution. Microsoft during their monopolic era was…

> Microsoft during their monopolic era was much more beyond that, they were going for all.

Yes, absolutely. Bill Gates was not a "nice" man. These days many people fawn over him "oh he's so lovey dovey, he's going to save the world with all his money as a philanthropist". LOL -- how many have actually sat at the same table (behind closed doors) with Billy boy pounding the table telling everyone attending (ISPs, major telecoms) how Microsoft was going to run the show, run the world. Microsoft is a ruthless company. Satya Nadella was part of this ruthless culture when he first joined MSFT 25 years ago. Why would the ruthless culture of Microsoft suddenly change because they've figured out how to peg Ubuntu Linux to the kernel? Ever hear of a Trojan Horse? This announcement today sure smells like horse manure.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by espadrine »

jupiter2 wrote: post #384
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

> Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system.

It isn't just about the philosophy either. Not to me.

Linux offers a stellar scheduler, phenomenal file systems such as ext4 and XFS (soon ZFS!), cgroups… the list goes on.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by badminton1 »

hydromet wrote: post #765
badminton1 wrote: post #693

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One aspect is the technology, another aspect are the values driving that technology, another aspect is the legal aspect. You are mixing them all and that's how the debate gets stuck into some neckbeard-limbo that nobody cares about. Society made a lot of progress when religion and state got decoupled from each other. There are some things that should be handled separately. What I have to say about this is: Technology…

Yes partycoder, it sure would be interesting to hear what "neckbeard" RMS has to say about this move by Microsoft today, would it not?

I think he has a full fledged beard making him not fit into the neckbeard type.

RMS was foresighted enough to make licensing a core part of open source. I have a deep respect for the man.

The Achilles heel for open source software remains to be patents. In that regard I think many proprietary players still have the upper hand.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by maaarghk »

zmmmmm wrote: post #449

The key question is how does the file system integration work. Cygwin has to do all kinds of tricks to make windows file paths and things like PATH and CLASSPATH variables work. Does Ubuntu see Windows files? If so, how? How then does windows see the Ubuntu files? I would also be very curious if Ubuntu executables can fork windows processes and vice versa. The magic of Cygwin is that - with all the caveats and kludge…

It says in the article that they have reimplemented Linux syscalls in the windows kernel.
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