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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by riotdash »

recursive wrote: post #731
riotdash wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here." The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't f k their users in the ass. People always complain how Apple products are so expensive etc. but you know that's how they make money and they actually invest in to the privacy and security of their users (good example: the FBI case) I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple…

Apple is pretty user-hostile. Moreso than MS in my estimation. Try changing the battery in your iphone, or getting music on it without using itunes.

Is this a troll or are you serious? :D

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by sametmax »

derek_kanjus wrote: post #438
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

What bothers me about people bringing Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is how they never mention how all the big software companies do this. For example, how many nice JavaScript features are in Google Chrome that aren't anywhere close to real standards? But when anyone but Microsoft does it they're just pushing the industry forward, not out to stab you in the back. Let's not call it Embrace, Extend, Extinguish until we s…

By different you mean they stopped using patent trolls to bully competition and make money out of Linux based software ? You mean they started to implement open formats ? Or do you mean they started to change their PR team so that now, we got a different image of them ?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by barrkel »

grovulent wrote: post #589
riotdash wrote: post #321

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Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…

I think this move by MS is wonderful and I support it completely - but there is one concern that you've left out that makes me more worried than anything. I'm someone who doggedly persisted trying to dev on my windows box because the stability, speed, app support, GUI niceness of windows is just far superior to Ubuntu (I won't speak to OS X since I've only done minimal dev on it). I won't go into a lengthy defense of…

NTFS supports 32k file names; the Win32 & Win64 layers, by default, only support PATH_MAX (260) characters for backward compatibility (compatibility with Win16, ironically enough). You can opt in to longer paths by prepending paths with '\\?\' to disable path length checking, but the check itself exists in the Win* layers. I would expect the Linux layer doesn't apply this check.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

vacri wrote: post #450
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #328

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Same history here. I did actually use Linux for quite a while but ultimately gave up because Linux just isn't good at the one job only an operating system can do, which is to make the hardware available in a reliable and efficient manner. I just got tired of fixing sound issues, trying to make a scanner work or investigating CPU states to fix heat and battery draining issues on yet another laptop. Ultimately, I think…

> Linux just isn't good at the one job only an operating system can do, which is to make the hardware available in a reliable and efficient manner. It's not the best desktop environment out there, but apart from desktop, linux is the most popular system at every step from small embedded systems to the most powerful supercomputers. That wouldn't be the case if it couldn't make hardware available in a reliable and effi…

I was speaking in the context of the question I was replying to, which was "why would you not just go with a Linux desktop for that?"

More specifically, it's the state of Linux device drivers and integration testing for laptops and consumer peripherals I'm complaining about. That's not a result of any inherent deficiency of the Linux kernel or its design. It's ultimately an economics issue.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by bechampion »

jupiter2 wrote: post #384
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

Also .. Linux is more than userland... mmu , cfs , kernel things in general ... i'd like to see real benchmarking of this.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by tychuz »

chillaxtian wrote: post #504
kbenson wrote: post #408

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If I was still stuck using an OS X box, I would definitely switch. If I was using Linux, I wouldn't. I've been forced into developing using Windows for the last few years, and for my use case (SSH to remote server to develop there), it's not that bad. There are some annoyances, but from a usage perspective, Windows 10 is actually really nice. Getting native terminal and SSH[1] support actually handles a bug chunk of…

> What about the lack of windows software on those platforms? It goes both ways. i miss absolutely zero windows software.

i miss absolutely zero linux software.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by _pmf_ »

jupiter2 wrote: post #384
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

> there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first!

This is true for a certain type of users (developers deploying on Linux).

For a different class of users (desktop/laptop users, or developers developing on Linux), Linux has a documented history of "Fuck you very much".

Microsoft has recognized that there is a large overlap between these two classes.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by peterashford »

chinpokomon wrote: post #712
narrator wrote: post #697

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They tried to do it with Java but Sun wrote a really good contract and filed and won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against them for trying to fragment the platform.[1] [1] http://www.cnet.com/news/sun-microsoft-settle-java-suit/

There are two entirely different narratives there when you view Java. Microsoft's implementation was a better, faster, and fully compliant JVM with what Sun was making. An application written for Sun's implementation ran on Microsoft's. This was before Swing, and Microsoft added extensions that allowed you to write Windows Forms applications using this new and upcoming language. Windows Forms applications would not r…

J++ was an example of the "extend" approach. They made a Java that was not compatible with the standard.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

josephpmay wrote: post #64
hodwik wrote: post #48

How in God's green earth did Canonical think helping Microsoft with this was a good idea for the Linux community?

-It solidifies Bash as the dev. shell of choice -It facilitates app cross comparability -For Canonical, it reinforces the idea that Ubuntu == Linux, which is really good for their bottom line -I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft forked over a solid amount of cash

> -For Canonical, it reinforces the idea that Ubuntu == Linux, which is really good for their bottom line

And Microsoft manages to undermine RedHat at the same time. Win-Win for them, why the Linux community should be excited about it, I don't know.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

recursive wrote: post #731
riotdash wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here." The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't f k their users in the ass. People always complain how Apple products are so expensive etc. but you know that's how they make money and they actually invest in to the privacy and security of their users (good example: the FBI case) I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple…

Apple is pretty user-hostile. Moreso than MS in my estimation. Try changing the battery in your iphone, or getting music on it without using itunes.

> Try changing the battery in your iphone

Try changing the battery in your Lumia.

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