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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by andkenneth »

talawahdotnet wrote: post #242
crudbug wrote: post #234

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I think M$ is targeting more developers with *NIX background on the desktop side rather than Linux apps on server. So a bash support with uniform CLI is the end-game.

Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.

Hey they might get me off of this. I got a mac because it was the best tool for the job - mainly because native bash is just always sitting there.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by llomlup »

riotdash wrote: post #321
talawahdotnet wrote: post #242

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Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.

Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…

Although I've been a primarily C# dev for years, I gradually moved to Ubuntu, and then to OSX, all because of the better terminal/s. I like Macs, but OSX, its window management system, finder, is really bad. Having bash environment available on Windows is an incredible feat and a reason alone to reconsider Windows again. Hopefully, it won't be limited to W10.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by kbenson »

riotdash wrote: post #382
darreld wrote: post #367

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Quite a load here. I switched to Mac for my personal development in 2001 but still used Windows at work. I have found over the last couple years that I have been migrating back to Windows for quite a few things. For me personally, I find the UI in Windows to be more productive and faster. The features Apple has been adding are not things I'm very interested in and I haven't been using my 2009 MBP for much anymore exc…

"Haven't had malware in years. Vista and Windows 8? Advertisements? Future shit and other awfulness you can't remember? Yeah those really sound like valid points." So do you have a counterargument(s) or was this just meaningless whining?

You didn't substantiate those points, so there's nothing to really counter.

Seriously, you just asked someone for a counterpoint to "other stuff I can't remember".

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by Udo »

Honestly, this makes me reconsider my future OS choices. I've been an OS X user for a decade now, but getting increasingly dissatisfied with Apple's stance on hardware and software, I have been thinking about moving to Ubuntu for a while now. The problem with that though is the scarcity and quality of commercial software builds on Linux. My biggest pain points are the Unreal Engine and Unity3D IDEs right now, which technically have Linux builds available, but in practice they just don't work.

With the availability of Unix command line tools (and maybe even GUI apps) on Windows, this becomes a very viable platform for me as a developer. I'd still be throwing away most of the software I purchased for OS X, but at least Windows equivalents are available.

If Microsoft is indeed courting programmers again, this is a smart move.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by bigger_cheese »

If it can run GCC and EMACS I'm pretty happy. At the moment I have to use Msys.

Are Ubuntu's libraries available. Could you theoretically produce a statically linked binary under Windows and then run it natively in 'real' linux

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by rsp1984 »

AimHere wrote: post #326

It's time that people stopped using the term 'Windows' for this operating system. The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle - the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without…

I have problems understanding your point here. What was announced was not a new operating system but a translation layer built into Windows 10 that translates Linux system calls to their Windows counterparts.

I also bet many people would disagree with your statement that W10 is unusable and worthless without this feature.

The Windows kernel always existed and has evolved over the years: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10. They didn't develop it as the "last missing piece of the puzzle".

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by leo_mck »

riotdash wrote: post #364
pookeh wrote: post #339

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While I prefer to develop today on OS X...your post is nothing but FUD. > What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. That's not necessarily a good thing but it's not bad either. It just means there is a Win substitute for everything. > What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? Same answer as above. > What about all those billions and…

"Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined." Oh...right all those cool FREE_VIDEO_CONVERTER_YOUTUBE_MP4_DOWNLOAD_FAST_FREE_GREEN_CARD.EXE applications...right.... Now days all the developer/engineer GUI apps are made OS X first, Linux second and maybe Windows. "I download a lot of crap on my home Win computer and haven't had a virus once in the past 6 or 7 years. There are likely more And…

I absolutely love the fact that windows download and install critical updates automatically for me. I would feel like a slave if I had to do it manually.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by yohui »

rsp1984 wrote: post #416
AimHere wrote: post #326

It's time that people stopped using the term 'Windows' for this operating system. The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle - the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without…

I have problems understanding your point here. What was announced was not a new operating system but a translation layer built into Windows 10 that translates Linux system calls to their Windows counterparts. I also bet many people would disagree with your statement that W10 is unusable and worthless without this feature. The Windows kernel always existed and has evolved over the years: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10.…

It's a joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by rsp1984 »

yohui wrote: post #418
rsp1984 wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have problems understanding your point here. What was announced was not a new operating system but a translation layer built into Windows 10 that translates Linux system calls to their Windows counterparts. I also bet many people would disagree with your statement that W10 is unusable and worthless without this feature. The Windows kernel always existed and has evolved over the years: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10.…

It's a joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy

I smelled it the moment I hit the reply button :)

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by elcct »

That will be really nice. I only use Windows for Music and for development I use virtual machines. I would love to develop things "natively" in Windows.
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